When I came to this country in 1991 all I was hearing from people I was working with that I/O loans is the way to go because prices always go up, we can buy a better property, it is like paying rent but with the owner ship of the property and therefor the increase in value, I dont like that idea but must admit that I have used I/O for the purpose for being able to pay of mortgage quickly and still have the facility for later when/if needed, also bank is holding the deed one less responsibility and for only $2 per month I think it is worth itIf the only way for someone to get into the housing market is via I/O loans then REALLY REALLY need to be discouraged. That kind of loan leaves little left over for when something goes wrong.
Based solely on those images:Spot the difference in subdivisions
The point being made by myself and others is about the maths, not about real estate as such.Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not you as well !!!!!!!!
The average price is being drawn up as the TOP end of town is selling for higher.
The median price is being drawn up as the TOP end of town is selling for higher which in turn makes people emotional and want to pay more for the lower end of houses as the spruikers keep pushing the same excrement upon them that NOW is the time to buy blah blah blah ... has anyone here actually got any experience in RE other than thinking about or just owning a singular residence? (or in some cases a few set and forget no brainer IP's)
Based solely on those images:
Florida is obviously the most expensive to build, since there's a lot of work required to create the land itself assuming that's not a natural land formation which it doesn't appear to be. They'd have to either fill in land otherwise below water, or cut channels through land to let the water in. Either way that's big $ so definitely the highest cost in Florida.
Sydney and Perth would be next. Nothing has really been done with the land itself other than roads etc and the houses.
Ireland would be next and Spain would be cheapest to build just plonked in a field and both Ireland and Spain are relatively high density developments too. So definitely should be the cheapest.
So how does the cost of one of these houses actually compare? How much cheaper is a house in Sydney or Perth compared to those in Florida?
The point being made by myself and others is about the maths, not about real estate as such.
Whether the top sells for $500K or $500 million does not in itself change the median price. For the median to go up, the price of a house in the middle needs to go up.
I don't doubt that the price of "top" houses may well influence the price of those in the middle. But it's the actual price of those in the middle, not the top, which determines the median.
The point being made is about maths, not real estate as such. By definition the median is always the one in the middle be it house prices, sports scores, weather or anything else.
If 5 houses are given away free and another 4 sell for $500K each then the median price is zero. If one of the 4 sold for $10 million then the median is still zero.
These methods are both used to find a “typical” value from a set of data. The mean is the most commonly used measurement of central tendency, but there are cases where it is not appropriate. For example, the data may be “skewed,” meaning that most of the numbers are toward either the low or the high end of the scale, or that there is one value that is wildly different from all the others — this is known as an outlier. Especially in a small set of data, the average value in these cases will not be typical.
Why is it that everyone is so locked in on this 20 - 30 year loan thingy?
I am not sure Smurf1976 if what I am writing is obviously not making sense so I will endeavour to make my style of writing easier to understand in future.
Because they are comparing now with the 1990's or earlier and those buying a house reasonably expect to own it at some point, the historic norm being within 25 years at most and that's what people are comparing to.
I, and I think a few others, have taken your comment as "a rise in prices at the top is pushing the median price up" and taking that to mean in a mathematical sense which is not correct.
But I think what you are really saying is that the actual price of a "median house" is being bid up to some extent due to the high prices being paid for "top" properties?
Anyway, we're on the same page now I think. Maybe some disagreements but it's a good debate let's not get bogged down on a definition.
The median price is being drawn up as the TOP end of town is selling for higher which in turn makes people emotional and want to pay more for the lower end of houses as the spruikers keep pushing the same excrement upon them that NOW is the time to buy blah blah blah
Dream on .. that was 1950's when the population bought one house and stayed in the one job. The times they are a changing. Sydney in 1981 was STILL the most expensive place to live in OZ at 5.2 times the average income. 1981 house Sydney = $79,000. Average income = $15,100. Anything above 5 is out there. Sydney now at 9 times is in the stratosphere. Now once again we are talking averages .. not everyone is "average"
Signed the contract for the sale of my old residence in Ballarat today. What originally started off as a place to live in turned into an investment / security blanket if I ever needed to return home to live again. Fairly mediocre return, but positive in the end after holding for five years. Same tenant the whole time and raised the rent every year, usually more than CPI. Surprised that it sold within 3 weeks, I was expecting to twiddle my thumbs for a bit longer. Will use the proceeds to pay off the small loan balance and then most of the mortgage on our PPOR. Then we will be debt free with no plans of borrowing further. Opens up quite a bit of cash flow for us to continue to invest as I have been.
Pretty happy to be in the position that I am before I've turned 30.
Thanks Bill! I save a large proportion of my salary (which is around the average wage) and it has started to see some good results in the last few years as the stash builds. A few sacrifices along the way, but I dont feel like I've missed out on much.Well done Ves, it just goes to show that it's not impossible. No rent or mortgage before 30, I dips my hat to you.:aus:
Yep, plan is to retire around that age.Well done Ves ... you might even get to retire at 40When you say mediocre return ... would you like to expand on this statement?
Thanks Bill! I save a large proportion of my salary (which is around the average wage) and it has started to see some good results in the last few years as the stash builds. A few sacrifices along the way, but I dont feel like I've missed out on much.
Yep, plan is to retire around that age.
Return (excluding the FHB grant, think it was $18k at the time) was around 10% gain on purchase price (I overpaid by a few % because I was a 23yo dumby and fell for the "there's another buyer making a counter offer" trick). Plus a few % for rent after expenses. So not really fantastic. But it was never intended to be an investment when I made the decision to buy and I never added any value, so I wouldn't expect any more.
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-villa-nsw-werrington-116173787
3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, Penrith/Werrington area and $310,000. FHB Grant of $7000 and NIL stamp duty applicable. Settlement fees of approx $3,000 and lets say a 5% deposit and borrowing IO $294,000 = $320 per week.
Yep no way I can afford that !
Dream on .. that was 1950's when the population bought one house and stayed in the one job.
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