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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Earth/Are_we_heading_to_ice_age/articleshow/2975016.cms

CANBERRA: Scientists have warned that the world might once again be heading towards an Ice Age, with global warming approaching a possible end.

Evidence in support of this theory has come from pictures obtained from the US Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, which showed no spots on the sun, thus determining that sunspot activity has not resumed after hitting an 11-year low in March last year.

A sunspot is a region on the sun that is cooler than the rest and appears dark.

Some scientists believe a strong solar magnetic field, when there is plenty of sunspot activity, protects the earth from cosmic rays, cutting cloud formation, but that when the field is weak - during low sunspot activity - the rays can penetrate into the lower atmosphere and cloud cover increases, cooling the surface.

According to Australian astronaut and geophysicist Phil Chapman, this might have caused the world to cool quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7C.

"This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," said Dr Chapman.

"If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over," he added.

Dr Chapman has proposed preventive, or delaying, moves to slow the cooling, such as bulldozing Siberian and Canadian snow to make it dirty and less reflective.

"My guess is that the odds are now at least 50:50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades," he said
 
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ROTFLMAO!

There goes Al Boring's income. How "inconvenient". :p:
 
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wayneL said:
ROTFLMAO!

There goes Al Boring's income. How "inconvenient". :p:
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Don't worry, the people that wrote this will be dismissed as AGW doubters and will be ridiculed into submission by the green movement. They will be stripped of their funding and will never be heard from again.

Al Gore will be just fine:)
 
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professor_frink said:
Don't worry, the people that wrote this will be dismissed as AGW doubters and will be ridiculed into submission by the green movement. They will be stripped of their funding and will never be heard from again.

Al Gore will be just fine:)
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thats why you are a professor mr frink!;)

not only are sunspots a danger to create global cooling, ice ments at the poles could disrupt the warm water currents of the oceans, the result being global cooling.

the emphasis of the green movement should be on polution in all its forms, not the GW lie. but then no one would make money from carbon taxes would they ?
 
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and another article of the same scientific observation.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

April 23, 2008

THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon.

The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.

Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.

That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.

It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.

There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.

Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases.

There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet.

The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.

The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.

By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.

Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.

If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits.

We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.

The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.

All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.

It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.

In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."
 
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Earth/Are_we_heading_to_ice_age/articleshow/2975016.cms

CANBERRA: Scientists have warned that the world might once again be heading towards an Ice Age, with global warming approaching a possible end.

Evidence in support of this theory has come from pictures obtained from the US Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, which showed no spots on the sun, thus determining that sunspot activity has not resumed after hitting an 11-year low in March last year.

A sunspot is a region on the sun that is cooler than the rest and appears dark.

Some scientists believe a strong solar magnetic field, when there is plenty of sunspot activity, protects the earth from cosmic rays, cutting cloud formation, but that when the field is weak - during low sunspot activity - the rays can penetrate into the lower atmosphere and cloud cover increases, cooling the surface.

According to Australian astronaut and geophysicist Phil Chapman, this might have caused the world to cool quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7C.

"This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," said Dr Chapman.

"If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over," he added.

Dr Chapman has proposed preventive, or delaying, moves to slow the cooling, such as bulldozing Siberian and Canadian snow to make it dirty and less reflective.

"My guess is that the odds are now at least 50:50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades," he said
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Blasphemy...

Ohhhh... the greens and all the people who make a living of GW will not like this...
 
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wayneL said:
How "inconvenient". :p:
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:D

Ain't that the truth.

Unfortunately the global warming theory has spawned far too many profit making businesses now. Just like the Year2K bug, except once January 1 2000 had passed, everyone could pack up their bags and go home.
 
Anyone who has read State of Fear will agree that the global warming threat caused by human related CO2 emissions is a furphy. Even though it's a novel.
 
i am a member of many forums as my interests are diverse. hunting forums, boxing, religious, shares, metal detecting, fishing, (or anything i want to learn) etc. like here, many subjects are covered.

an observation i have made is that the shares forums have the most intelligent posters. and also the most members that are sceptical of media and government actions.....

good stuff!:)
 
I propose we should start an Ice credit scheme and an Ice Tax.

Obviously the first people that need targetting for the Ice Tax are those with Freezers because they are the biggest contributers to Global Cooling.

Maybe we could pump unwanted Ice back into the earths crust or pump it down deep into the oceans.

I just thought of another one, an Ice cube tax. Down the pub on a hot summers day, you want ice cubes, you pay extra.

I'm contacting the UN to see if I can get a job as a global cooling tax consultant...
 
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professor_frink said:
Don't worry, the people that wrote this will be dismissed as AGW doubters and will be ridiculed into submission by the green movement. They will be stripped of their funding and will never be heard from again.

Al Gore will be just fine:)
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Already heard on "PM" ABC Radio last night one of the green fanatics pouring scorn on this heretical suggestion. Don't doubt there will be much more to come, should any of the doubters have the temerity to raise their heads again.
 
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Julia said:
Already heard on "PM" ABC Radio last night one of the green fanatics pouring scorn on this heretical suggestion. Don't doubt there will be much more to come, should any of the doubters have the temerity to raise their heads again.
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By this afternoon, I'm sure there will be comments made about who funds them too- I'm sure there will be a link to a large oil company in there somewhere!
 
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professor_frink said:
By this afternoon, I'm sure there will be comments made about who funds them too- I'm sure there will be a link to a large oil company in there somewhere!
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Yeah, but don't often here about who is funding the greenies and their agendas. :rolleyes:
 
Awesome ....

Ive always been a human caused climate change as opposed to GW sorta guy, but I do find it interesting that everyone here is agreeing with this guys theory.


I really dont find this very reasurring ....

My guess is that the odds are now at least 50:50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.
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Wow an each-way bet on the health of the planet ?

Scrap the electric cars folks lets build v12's, make tons of cash and have some fun :eek:

Thought Id google this chap, yep as I thought, on the US gov payroll, aka the worlds greatest Climate Change denyers.

Dr. Chapman is now Chief Scientist of Transformational Space Corporation("t/Space," Reston, VA, http://www.transformspace.com/). Under a $6 million contract from NASA
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Chapman
 
Evidence in support of this theory has come from pictures obtained from the US Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, which showed no spots on the sun, thus determining that sunspot activity has not resumed after hitting an 11-year low in March last year.
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Jan. 10, 2008:
Hang on to your cell phone, a new solar cycle has just begun.

The previous solar cycle, Solar Cycle 23, peaked in 2000-2002 with many furious solar storms. That cycle decayed as usual to the present quiet leaving solar physicists little to do other than wonder, when would the next cycle begin?


"New solar cycles always begin with a high-latitude, reversed polarity sunspot," explains Hathaway. "Reversed polarity" means a sunspot with opposite magnetic polarity compared to sunspots from the previous solar cycle. "High-latitude" refers to the sun's grid of latitude and longitude. Old cycle spots congregate near the sun's equator. New cycle spots appear higher, around 25 or 30 degrees latitude.

The sunspot that appeared on January 4th fits both these criteria.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/10jan_solarcycle24.htm
 
professor_frink said:
By this afternoon, I'm sure there will be comments made about who funds them too- I'm sure there will be a link to a large oil company in there somewhere!
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and here it is professor......you da bomb!


numbercruncher said:
Awesome ....

Ive always been a human caused climate change as opposed to GW sorta guy, but I do find it interesting that everyone here is agreeing with this guys theory.


I really dont find this very reasurring ....



Wow an each-way bet on the health of the planet ?

Scrap the electric cars folks lets build v12's, make tons of cash and have some fun :eek:

Thought Id google this chap, yep as I thought, on the US gov payroll, aka the worlds greatest Climate Change denyers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Chapman
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you notice these people never argue the facts. just attack the messenger!
 
The facts seem incontrovertible however. The planet's temp has been stable or cooling for a decade.

I'm going long on long underwear. :D
 

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