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Where does it say that all people are able/allowed to come here in order to have equal rights? Seems to me the interpretation is either all people in all places should have equal rights, or all people who are living here should have equal rights. That doesn't mean open borders. It does mean equal criteria for entry.
Do The Greens state anywhere what their criteria are for entry into Australia. They certainly have shown that they regard anyone who has attempted to reach Australia should be assisted in reaching Australia, not sent back or held in offshore detention.
I regard myself as a Socialist but seek a more level playing field for the common people.Plod, do you lean to the "tree tories" or the "communists"?
However most are school teachers, nurses and emergency service personnel who have experienced the cutting edge.
So I take you have been there to see that for yourself?Experienced the cutting edge or are just plain stupid?
I have a friend who is a professor and whose wife is a nurse and both are Greens. They swore black and blue that the refugees on Manus Island are held 24/7 in detention and not allowed out. I explained that they are allowed out and the kids attend local schools and many of the adults have in fact set up businesses on the island or are otherwise gainfully employed. This is not secret knowledge but in fact widely known. As proof of his view, he said that he had a friend who was a doctor and worked on the island and that he would vouch for the fact that they are in 24/7 detention. Greens just don't want to know.
A few weeks back on one of the ABC's talkback radio channels, some listener also stated that the refugees are in 24/7 detention and this was torture. When another listener stated the facts regarding those there being free to roam and work on the island, the ABC compere acknowledged that to be correct, but then added "the fact that they cannot join the rest of their family is a form of torture".
So I take you have been there to see that for yourself?
No I have not and this really has little overall to do with the Greens in my view The press not only has little to do with us but take every opportunity to put us down.I haven't seen for myself, but that is irrelevant. It has been reported by many different sources that many have jobs and businesses on the island. There is no denial of that by The Greens, ABC or SBS, but often there is omission to state it when it is relevant. Undoubtably there is razor wire on some fences on the island, but filming a child on the other side of a razor wired fence while not putting the scene in context, though not lying, is highly misleading. Unfortunately many will gullibly take the bait.
Have you been on Manus? If so, can you confirm or deny whether those there (apart form perhaps a few dangerous detainees) are allowed to roam and work outside their accomodation centres. If not, do you believe that to be the case and if not, what is your source for that belief?
Are you kidding us?No I have not and this really has little overall to do with the Greens in my view The press not only has little to do with us but take every opportunity to put us down.
I do not see this, some examples please.Are you kidding us?
The abc is a green hive...
As for tgt press, who would ever even attack a labour idea...
I spent time studying in Scandinavia, particularly Sweden years back. Then, 1970's was the ideal. Sweden has in recent times moved to the right but Norway, Denmark and Finland have maintained a very fair socialist system. In fact here in Australia our system was very fair prior to privatisation (Thatcherism). Private utilities controlling essential services such as power, and in particular now universities is down hill. Recently we see private car parks emerging at Public hospitals charging around $10 per hour.Plod, you say you are a socialist. It seems to be a term that is very loosely applied , or without understanding of its full implications.
Can you define your understanding of socialism ad you desire it, and also The Greens goals in this regard, should it ever gain power.
Ah, well, those are really social democracies will social programs of various degrees, encapsulated within market capitalism.I spent time studying in Scandinavia, particularly Sweden years back. Then, 1970's was the ideal. Sweden has in recent times moved to the right but Norway, Denmark and Finland have maintained a very fair socialist system. In fact here in Australia our system was very fair prior to privatisation (Thatcherism). Private utilities controlling essential services such as power, and in particular now universities is down hill. Recently we see private car parks emerging at Public hospitals charging around $10 per hour.
Socialism just means "a fair go". However it has been tagged otherwise by the money making system because it threatens their ideals of money over everything else.
a quote from Goering, stating: “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”.
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