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sails · 5 May 2012

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

So_Cynical said:
That's your opinion and coincidently the opinion of some other members of the ASF right...there are however others on this forum that don't quite see it that way.

SC - it is your right to see things however you wish, however, it seems to be yet another labor propaganda tactic to label anyone who isn't happy with this current brand of labor as "extreme right". In fact, some of those labelled "extreme right" are actually disgruntled labor voters. How rude is that?

And most here are not extreme right. It is insulting and only inflames other posters. Eager's use of "redneck" is another derogatory term used by lefties which is totally uncalled for, imo.

It seems that the left's only weapon now is to discredit others and use extreme terms in an effort to play with people's minds.

I think Aussies are waking up to these tactics. The mud slinging Bligh did to Newman and his family ended up backfiring. But, amazingly, the left continue with these unsavoury propaganda tactics.

Propaganda definition from a google search:

Information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

IFocus · 6 May 2012

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wayneL said:
The so-called 'right' here are neither extreme, nor blind.

A quick read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics will highlight what a asinine, disingenuous and totally objectionable accusation you and others of the left on this forum make when you use the term 'extreme' right.

As the very title of this thread indicates, people are very aware of the transmogrification of The Greens from 'tree huggers' to a more encompassing agenda. Yes indeed, most members of the center and center/right are well aware of the economic, social and other agendas of The Greens.

As more of the center center/left become aware of this, you will lose support, only really keeping a core of socialist riff-raff lifted from the left of the Labor party and bona fide communists. It may require The Greens to be responsible for a more fully ~~~~ed up Oz economy for a broad awakening of what the Green manifesto contains however.

Which is why...

...you will come to change your mind and realize that you are wasting your time. That is unless you like hanging out with a tiny minority of socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists.

Ozzies may be able to be bribed into temporary dalliances with the authoritarian left, disguised as they are with a green tinge and disgracefully obfuscated offers of something for nothing, but Ozzies are a liberty loving and entrepreneurial people and will not tolerate totalitarians for long.

wayneL said:
My view is cited. Maybe only Wiki, but challenge that to the peril of your withering credibility.

As for those who "don't quite see it that way", I'd like to see that backed up with at least a modicum of logical argument, otherwise it's just a jaundiced view from the socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists.

Oh the irony............

wayneL · 6 May 2012

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IFocus said:
Oh the irony............

Not at all. It would be ironic if my characterization of the core of Greens was not accurate and/or exaggerated.

It isn't.

Sitar · 7 May 2012

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I joined the UK Greens when I lived in London in 1982, and continued my membership when I returned here some years later, living in Canberra, Sydney and Brisbane at various times.

I'm still a member and am certainly not (nor ever have been) "socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists" as someone here proclaimed.

Over these many years I've met other Green members from many countries, and continue to be proud to be a member of this great, world-wide movement together with other progressive people.

wayneL · 7 May 2012

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Sitar said:
I joined the UK Greens when I lived in London in 1982, and continued my membership when I returned here some years later, living in Canberra, Sydney and Brisbane at various times.

I'm still a member and am certainly not (nor ever have been) "socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists" as someone here proclaimed.

Over these many years I've met other Green members from many countries, and continue to be proud to be a member of this great, world-wide movement together with other progressive people.

Perhaps you could detail your personal social and economic beliefs so we can judge for ourselves.

bullet21 · 7 August 2012

Even the Indigenous community have had enough of the greens

http://www.news.com.au/business/com...usader-bob-brown/story-fnda1bsz-1226444934302

Take that Commissar Brown you watermelon(green on the outside, red on the inside).

burglar · 7 August 2012

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bullet21 said:
http://www.news.com.au/business/com...usader-bob-brown/story-fnda1bsz-1226444934302

Take that Commissar Brown you watermelon(green on the outside, red on the inside).

Did not see the letter as political, or sleighting the do-gooder.
Just a plea for sanity!

Julia · 7 August 2012

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bullet21 said:
http://www.news.com.au/business/com...usader-bob-brown/story-fnda1bsz-1226444934302

Take that Commissar Brown you watermelon(green on the outside, red on the inside).

What a great letter from aboriginal elder, Rita Augustine. Let's hope the patronising, paternalistic Greens take note of Ms Augustine's dignified request for them to respect the decisions made by aboriginal people themselves.

sptrawler · 7 August 2012

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Julia said:
What a great letter from aboriginal elder, Rita Augustine. Let's hope the patronising, paternalistic Greens take note of Ms Augustine's dignified request for them to respect the decisions made by aboriginal people themselves.

IMO It is probably more about Bob trying to make hay, while he still has some public relevance.
Lets not forget his tax free pension, doesn't preclude him from making a killing on the green junket.
Go Bob, you milked the labor party beautifully, just need another host.
Great operator, achieved more as a fringe party leader, than the incumbent leader could deliver.
Funnily enough, down the track he will be seen as a bit of a legend, like Don Chipp.
Shame Gillard and the goon show won't be seen in the same light.

drsmith · 14 August 2012

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Finally, the humanitarians who believe people should die in order to satisfy their idiologial objectives find themselves out in the cold over asylum seekers.

Hopefully enough within Labor now realise just how toxic they are to both themselves as a party and to the country as a whole.

DB008 · 23 August 2012

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Not sure if these have been posted. I haven't gone through the past 35 pages...

drsmith · 4 September 2012

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Christine Milne's world of fantasy,

GREENS Leader Christine Milne says she's disappointed in the party's three-point slump in the latest Newspoll, declaring voters may have "misunderstood" the party's asylum-seeker policies.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...understood-milne/story-fn59niix-1226464906281

sails · 4 September 2012

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drsmith said:
Christine Milne's world of fantasy,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...understood-milne/story-fn59niix-1226464906281

I think voters clearly understand green's asylum-seeker policies. They want what the majority of voter's don't...

Calliope · 8 September 2012

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sails said:
I think voters clearly understand green's asylum-seeker policies. They want what the majority of voter's don't...

Yes, their extreme asylum seeker policies would open the floodgates for an influx of mainly Muslims from Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East. Milne even thinks we should seek them out in Indonesia to save them taking to the boats.

And this crazy woman has the hide to criticise the Catholic Church for not supporting her lunatic policies. Perhaps it is her hatred of the church that makes flooding the country with Muslims so attractive to her.

GREENS leader Christine Milne has launched a scathing attack on the Catholic Church, accusing it of being more concerned about cash for its schools than about social justice and of falling short on environmental issues.

The criticisms provoked a stinging rebuke from the Archbishop of Sydney, George Pell, who suggested the Greens were anti-Christian and Senator Milne was part of a "bizarre green bandwagon".

Senator Milne, a self-described extremely lapsed Catholic with a long history with the church through childhood, school and university, told The Weekend Australian its leadership was failing on key social issues.

"I have a real frustration at the Catholic Church's failure to engage with some of the real big social justice issues in Australia - the current asylum-seeker debate for example," she said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-christine-milne/story-fn59niix-1226467722987

Julia · 8 September 2012

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Calliope said:
And this crazy woman has the hide to criticise the Catholic Church for not supporting her lunatic policies. Perhaps it is her hatred of the church that makes flooding the country with Muslims so attractive to her.

Most of the churches, very much including the Catholic St Vinnies, do more for the community than Ms Milne and her colleagues can imagine.

drsmith · 8 September 2012

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Me thinks Christine is just looking for a scrap with someone to keep herself in public view.

sails · 9 September 2012

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NSW council elections:

THE Greens suffered a voter backlash across the state yesterday, with swings of between 10 and 15 per cent against the party in most parts of NSW.

Read more from the Daily Telegraph: Urban voters dump Greens

Julia · 9 September 2012

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Thanks for that, sails. There's precious little good news politically these days, but that certainly is.

explod · 18 September 2012

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Hello James,

You are invited to have your say on the final batch of national Greens policies that will be reviewed and amended at National Conference in November.

After an initial round of consultation and drafting, the following policy proposals have been released: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People; Arts and Culture; Children and Young People; Community Participation in Government; Constitutional Reform and Democracy; Corporate Governance; Drugs, Substance Abuse and Addiction; Education; Health; Housing; Immigration and refugees; Justice; Media and Communications; Multiculturalism; Older People; Social Services; Sport and Physical Recreation; Sustainable Agriculture; and Women.

Received this in my inbox tonight. You will not see any other political party reaching out to all of its members to have their say in setting policy and changes to the constitution. The Greens are growing strong because they listen to all the people equally.

drsmith · 18 September 2012

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explod said:
The Greens are growing strong because they listen to all the people equally.

They didn't listen to Julia Gillard when she said there would be no carbon tax under a government she leads.

Congratulations on being a member btw.

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