Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole cyclical thing with capitalism and free market society but I think the boom and bust is actually supposed to happen. Some crashes and booms are bigger than others.
Personally, I can't think of any better plan but the far left side of centre is NOT it.
Not until we no longer require locks on doors.
Or, until the human race is united in an effort against something to save our entire existence.
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment here ...
What i dont agree with is people being treated unequally or with disdain due to there religous beliefs. Something i feel was done in this thread...
Yes .. your right ... we might all have to give upsomething as trivial as our Iphone 4's so the people that are sleeping on park benches in urban areas all around australia ... can be provided with proper shelter and the support that they as Australians deserve ... makes me want to puke too.
Yes, life is good ... in most of this country. But for example i also believe the poverty, and historically poor lack of support of indigenous communities in parts of Australia is a disgrace, and something that i feel a little ashamed of as an Australian. I believe we can improve this, and i believe it can be achieved through some form of socialism. Thats my opinion, if you have a different opinion ... thats cool.
But how would the people sleeping on park benches be able to access their supplies.
This needs more working.
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So, you're well on the left side of centre still, right?
Like, opposite to the stock market?
Or, until the human race is united in an effort against something to save our entire existence.
Why would a democratic socialist society be opposed to the idea of free trade ? Or be opposed to an equity market ?
Name me one democratic socialist society that is, then you would be making an actual point .... rather then fishing ....
The planet (and then Universe) will find a way eventually. Think bigger picture.Do you not think we are ? Is not our entire existence not jeopardised by the precarious nature we have placed ourselves in, in terms of sustainability of food production/and its methods, and sustainability of the energy consumption that has fed the rampant population growth in the past century or two ?
What do you see foresee is more likely looking into the next century ?
1. - technological innovation to solve all our problems ?
2. - Or people uniting and resolving to work for a common goal to work around these problems ?
.. or do you foresee some old fashioned simple 'deflation' of the human population ?
Talking about how "communism" failed in Russia, have a look at the home of "capitalism", the US is not travelling all that well.
Last time I checked, capitalism let companies fail. Does this sound like the US to you?
Thanks for responding to my questions RandR.Why do i think they'd make the perfect neighbour ? simple ... my personal experience is that people that are practicing muslims tend to be fairly quiet, and respectful. My theory on why a communist would make a perfect neighbour, is again .. simple ... because you'd think anyone who preaches communism would be pretty keen to help out a neighbour when in need, and maybe share some wealth...
I'm trying to be reasonable here, polite even. So you think everyone is born equal?The advantages i see in marxism are .. once again ... simple ... a classless society. (social class to me is disgusting)
The reasons people become homeless and/or live in poverty are many but are not especially the result of a political system.A society where the poor are lifted up, and the only society where true unadultered democracy could ever be achieved. A society that would truly, be of the people, and for the people. Tell me why in a country as great as ours, we allow so many people to live in destitution, people to become homeless and live in poverty ?
But in a thread titled about a political party in Australia, i would expect to see some good, open debate about actual policy of the party. Not open slather and bigotry directed at people according to the religious idols, or political ideals. Which to my mind is disgusting and a little bit more then just insulting ... and why ive probably been a little bit more provocative in my responses. If any of my posts have seemed a touch (angsty) i apologise.
Yes .. your right ... we might all have to give upsomething as trivial as our Iphone 4's so the people that are sleeping on park benches in urban areas all around australia ... can be provided with proper shelter and the support that they as Australians deserve ... makes me want to puke too.
Yes, life is good ... in most of this country. But for example i also believe the poverty, and historically poor lack of support of indigenous communities in parts of Australia is a disgrace, and something that i feel a little ashamed of as an Australian. I believe we can improve this, and i believe it can be achieved through some form of socialism. Thats my opinion, if you have a different opinion ... thats cool.
Great post moXJO.
But it's oh so easy from your comfortable situation here in Australia to idealise what you think would be the great answer of communism. Not so sure you'd still feel that way after a few years of living with it.
A critical opinion about an ideology is what anyone has the right to express on this forum. That doesn't necessarily constitute vilification. Again, we have the pejorative language. "Bigotry" earlier.I felt that someone needed to take a stand for Islam and communists in this thread because they were being vilified by previous posters.
From the link you provided:In case you ask, what sort of political organisation would i consider to be democratic socialists ... heres an example from the 2007 federal election ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator_Online
Fantastic. About as realistic as the rest of your ideas.Senator Online (Internet Voting Bills/Issues) (abr. SOL) is a registered Australian political party that contested the 2007 Federal election. In the five states the party contested, it received on average 0.06% of the vote (or roughly 6 votes for every 10,000 cast) with the greatest success in Victoria where it received 0.09% of the vote (or roughly 9 votes for every 10,000 cast).
Senator Online does not have any policies. Instead it has pledged to conduct an online poll for every bill that passes before the Senate. Anyone on the Australian electoral roll who is not a member of another political party would be allowed to register to vote in these polls and will be allowed one vote per bill. The senators would then be required to vote in accordance with the clear majority (70% and more than 100,000 votes). If there is no clear majority the senators will abstain from voting.
Again, we have the pejorative language. "Bigotry" earlier
A critical opinion about an ideology is what anyone has the right to express on this forum. That doesn't necessarily constitute vilification. Again, we have the pejorative language. "Bigotry" earlier.
The Greens, who appear to be alingned with communism,
Between the Greens and Islam I would hate to see what this world of ours will be like in 20 or 30 years time.
From the link you provided:
Fantastic. About as realistic as the rest of your ideas.
Here we go again Julia, the MONOMANIAC is back.
Here is a good description of Bob Brown and his hypocrisy. A real political point scorer.
http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/01...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)
I read that blog by Senator Bernardi and he brought up some good points, Senator Brown does seem like a hypocrite. Not really surprising considering he is after all, a politician.
RandR,
Just going back on something you said earlier, that you believe in the power of equality.
What does equality mean to you?
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