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The Australian Greens party

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Jeez I hope they don't halt Uranium mining. They could not be that thick.
Be quite assured that they can.

Interesting segment on Insiders (ABC) today including how they currently compare vote wise to the Democrats at their peak.
Can you give a summary for those of us who missed it?

Very simple, noco. No journalist has taken the trouble to examine the Greens' policies and costings (if any), whilst they have dissected all policies and costings of the two main parties in forensic detail.
The so called professional journalists have hugely let us down in this respect.

So the Greens have joyfully embraced all those protest votes from the people who couldn't be bothered to look beyond their noses.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

There was one article in the Hun during the campaign with estimates - surprisingly it wasn't a major attack on the party given the paper's right-wing leanings.
It wasn't compared to the major parties as it was earlier in the campaign and neither of the majors had fully revealed their policies (nor had them costed) at that stage.
I don't believe it has been through treasury either.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Their taxation policy is interesting - they are certainly anti-GST which is one of the few major achievements of the Howard government IMO

 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Their taxation policy is interesting - they are certainly anti-GST which is one of the few major achievements of the Howard government IMO
I attempted to address the individual point's of the Greens's tax policy this afternoon but something went cactus.

In summery, they don't want to "implement a gradual and long term shift in the tax system from work based taxes to taxes on natural resources and pollution", but rather increase taxes by raising new environmental taxes and increasing income and corportate taxation.

Their measures are riddled with inconsistencies such as simplifying taxation on superannuation, but at the same time introducing progressive tax scales for superannuation contributions. They regard the GST as too regressive and don't understand that to "eliminate high rates of effective marginal taxation for those on welfare benefits", you have to remove effective means testing of these benefits. They have also failed to articulate the impact of "other ecological taxes and charges at a level sufficient enough that their prices reflect the full environmental cost of their production, use or disposal".

There's a lot of socialist nonsense in there.
 
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I haven't unlike you guys gone in to the ins and outs of Green policy.

I did engage in cleaning up one of our creeks 2 years ago, and there were very many green people there and they seemed like savvy folk with reasonable arguments.

I am very interested in seeing these views put to the fore in the next parliament.

Lets face it, Mr. and Mrs. Shopping Trolley are 40% Bogan, 40% Committed voters and 20% Pure idiots.

gg
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

A carbon tax in the context of not increasing tax or redistributing wealth through tax would be an interesting challenge for the Greens.

Have they, for example, considered replacing the GST with a carbon tax ?
 
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Lets face it, Mr. and Mrs. Shopping Trolley are 40% Bogan, 40% Committed voters and 20% Pure idiots.

gg

GG I think you have the proportions seriously messed up there. In research for my thesis on this very topic I have found the proportions entirely different, particularly with regards to the third component.

Will wait for peer review before releasing my findings however.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The scariest statement that Gillard has made in trying to win over the Independents, is that the Labor party can work better with the Green dominated Senate.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The scariest statement that Gillard has made in trying to win over the Independents, is that the Labor party can work better with the Green dominated Senate.

Yes the Greens and Labor are of one colour ie. green outside and red inside. They are too closely associated for my liking.

Senator Cory Bernardi describes them as a party with a Marxist heart and enviromental skin.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I think you'd have most of the site lining up to read it Wayne, regardless of political leaning.
 
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I think you'd have most of the site lining up to read it Wayne, regardless of political leaning.
I agree. And I'd go so far as to suggest 99% of ASF members would be more than happy to forgo the peer review process in this instance.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

This could be a good outcome if the ALP and the Greens get to 'govern' for the next term. Then Mr. and Mrs. shopping trolley can see just what hell they have unleashed upon themselves. This may awaken a lot of fence sitters.
Though I really cannot see it lasting three years.
 
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Just watched AM Agenda on sky News where Bob Katter quoted Al Gore as being the Patron of the Greem movement world wide.
 
Greens destroying business

I mentioned this in the climate thread; this story is all over the blogosphere, but I'm lead to believe it is being ignored by the MSM in WA.

Tyranny: How to destroy a business with environmental red tape

What sort of country allows this to happen. Either allow it or disallow it, but slowly asphyxiating a family business to death with arbitrary red tape is just diabolical bureaucratic bullying IMO

Excerpt:

 
Re: Greens destroying business

Yep, on the surface it all sounds a bit rough to me.

And we certainly need the food.
 
Re: Greens destroying business

I saw this on Watts and followed it up as far as I could. As you say, there's not much press on it, but the minister's determination and some of the departmental documents are available. I didn't find enough there to form an opinion about the rights or wrongs of the feedlot itself or the bank's actions. I also couldn't find anything about the piggery.

The other thing I can't find is any reason for your thread title. Are you suggesting that the Greens are responsible for the actions of the WA bureaucracy? Seems unlikely.

DISCLOSURE: In 1974 I was bookkeeper for an agricultural enterprise that included a feedlot property which I visited a couple of times.

Ghoti
 
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I don't know, blaming bureaucracy and dodgy lawyers on the Greens?
 
Re: Greens destroying business

Clarification:

Greens does not refer to "The Greens" the political party. Perhaps I should have used the term "greenies"?
 
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