Just for interest, can you explain what the difference between a tax, which Abbott repeatedly said he will not introduce or increase, and a levy, which seems to have been proposed by Abbott.
From my personal point of view, and expecting to pay the levy...
Not as bad as, "THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD"
Let's wait for the Budget before drawing that conclusion.i will say that the CoA has been designed byt he wealthy for the wealthy. Not really anything in it that actuially targets them.
And that is the crux of all it.... it will be harsh, some of it we will agree with and some of it we will not, of course.
Julia said:I did, however, have the thought after listening to a rundown on the CoA that the people putting it together are a whole world removed from many whom their ideas would affect. I don't disagree with most of it in principle, but we're all born with widely varying capacities, upbringing and life experiences, all of which go to constitute the adults we become.
But people won't accept that. There was a belief before the election (noco seems to be only true believer left) that electing the Coalition would take us back to 2006, pre-GFC when everything was booming and it would be tax cuts for all. Now they're waking up to the reality that neither side is all that good, and the government can't flick the switch to turn the economy back to boom, and there are serious structural issues for Australia over the coming decades. You just need to read some of the comments in here from before the election.
It had a real air of "let them eat cake". And as per usual, it was so tightly framed to largely fit in with what the government wanted to hear.
That I would agree with but in terms of what politicians say before an election and do afterwards, it's not far off.Not as bad as, "THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD"
The Treasurer has cautioned against assuming any debt levy will kick in for people on incomes as low as $80,000 per year.
I did, however, have the thought after listening to a rundown on the CoA that the people putting it together are a whole world removed from many whom their ideas would affect. I don't disagree with most of it in principle, but we're all born with widely varying capacities, upbringing and life experiences, all of which go to constitute the adults we become.
That I would agree with but in terms of what politicians say before an election and do afterwards, it's not far off.
"The one thing that [people] will never have to suffer under a Coalition government is an unnecessary new tax, a tax that could easily be replaced by savings found from the budget."
"There is one fundamental message that we want to go out from this place to every nook and cranny of our country: There should be no new tax collection without an election."
"What you'll get under us are tax cuts without new taxes,"
This is how the guy campaigned for three years. Is it really any wonder he looks rather foolish now? Doubly so when you consider he would still have won the election in a landslide even without making promises of no new taxes.
Yet again another cycle of Austrayan (not a typo) politics. Labor gets in and spends up big $$$ on socialism, gravy train rides, bleeding hearts and artists - people get sick of the cronyism and vote them out - Liberals get in and toe cut everything and build up a war chest - people get sick of tightening their belts and vote them out - Labor gets in and wrings the neck of the company credit card on a massive $$$ splurge to buy the votes under the guise of "We are spending to stop Australia going into recession" (GFC) and wracks up huge debt - people get sick of the cronyism and vote them out. Liberals get in and toe cut everything and build up a war chest - people get sick of tightening their belts and vote them out - ad infinitum and so on and so forth.
I think the Independents are going to be the big winners as the 2 parties slowly descend into an ineffectual conglomerate of idealistic and pusillanimous blow hards that have neither the numbers to effect change nor the will of the people to mandate their policies.
The Commission of Audits rather scary document is really just a wish list of what would happen to us if we let the politicians take us down the US path. The middle class would be worse off and the very wealthy would be better off.
The facts are however is:
1) the Libs want to have a second term
2) there will be people in their own ranks who would revolt.
The truth is that it is a document to soften us all up so when the budget is released we all breath a sigh of relief and think it's not too bad.
Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh the old "Rope a Dope" routine or ambit claim you reckon Knobby22 ?
Yep.
Agree with you trainspotter. What is funny, is people trying to make out, they didn't know the belt tightening was going to happen.
If Labor become re-elected in 2016, I will be phoning Dr. Snickskee ( that euthanasia bloke)......I could not bear the pain and suffering of another term of Labor.:
Don't call him, call me, I'll do it much cheaper
I agree with the above but relative to the circumstances behind the introduction of the carbon tax, the political cost shouldn't be as much.This is how the guy campaigned for three years. Is it really any wonder he looks rather foolish now? Doubly so when you consider he would still have won the election in a landslide even without making promises of no new taxes.
I agree with the above but relative to the circumstances behind the introduction of the carbon tax, the political cost shouldn't be as much.
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