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G'day folks,

In the past I have invested based purely on the business reports etc and recommendations on my shareholder site. This has yielded approximately 0% return over the past few years. So, over the past week or so while I have had time off work recovering from an operation, I decided to investigate other options and teach myself a bit about technical analysis. So I have put together some analysis that I conducted based on what I have taught myself and amy looking for feedback, particularly by skilled people but also by others that are just getting into tech analysis. I don't have a fancy trading platform for good analysis so please excuse the word art in this thread.

So I believe it is important to appreciate the macro environment before assessing individual shares. So first up is an assessment on the direction of XAO:
Macro climate
Using the XJO as the index to conduct the assessment.

After reaching a high in mid-May of 5,250 the ASX retreated to a low around 4,650 (representing a drop of 14%) in early/mid June. It rallied to a high a few days later of 4861 (gaining back 33% of its losses). It has again retreated to a low of 4683 (after the Ben Bernanke speech on QE). Some assessments “identified” a short run rising wedge prior to 21 Jun a predicting a long march down. However, the market on 21 Jun doesn’t indicate that the bears are strong enough (I say this based on the initial knee-jerk reaction to very quickly reconsolidate). Macro options assessed as:
XJO chart.jpg

Double bottom reversal – this would be indicated by a break above 4860 indicating the bulls have won out and the market is on the rise again. This is supported by pre-Bernanke speech that the world economy is improving. Indicators and actions – if the market rises and breaks 4865, it is likely a bull market and longs should be the options up to at least 5100.
Bearish measured move – this would be indicated by a continued dropping trend (i.e. breaking below the 4650 support). Should this occur, it indicates the bears have won out and we can expect falls to the proximity of 4000. Should be looking at short sales. This theory is backed by the Chinese market speculation.


Now I have used BHP as I noticed they have a trend of following tech analysis.

BHP
Hoping for a double or triple bottom reversal (below example). At the moment the share had an initial fall from a high of 39.34 to a first decline to 30.58 (representing 22.3%). The share then Retraced to 35.45 (representing a return of 56% of initial loss). It is currently trading around 32. The volumes indicate this could be either a measured move – bearish or a double or triple bottom reversal. Note that I think we can see examples of a number of patterns in this chart such as a head and shoulders top reversal in May, and a head and shoulders bottom reversal before that in April. The prospective options I have identified are detailed below.

Example double bottom.jpg
Above is an example of the double bottom reversal (thanks to http://www.http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns)

Options
BHP assessment.jpg
Above is my assessment (excuse the word art) of BHP Bearish Measured Move assessment
Options
1. Should the price drop below approximately 30.5, it indicates this is a Bearish measured move continuation and we can expect that BHP will continue in this fashion until around the $25-26 mark around September.


BHP assessment 2.jpg
Above is my BHP Double Bottom Reversal assessment
2. Should the price break the resistance level in the chart below, we are looking at potentially a double or triple bottom reversal. We should wait for it to break the peak of 35.5 and check that volumes have remained relatively steady since the second trough before buying in with the ambition of reaching $40 and this aligns with analyst predictions pre-bernanke speech. This should be the sell point representing an investment return of 14% and should be achieved approximately towards the end July to mid August.


So I am keen to hear any feedback on whether I am going in the right direction regarding technical analysis or not?

Thoughts?

Also, does anyone know of any good online systems that allows simple chart analysis (that aren't $$$$).

Cheers
 
Also, does anyone know of any good online systems that allows simple chart analysis (that aren't $$$$).

Cheers


Hi Steve,

BHP could put in a DB sure, its still needs to complete the H&S pattern, which it could do today. Lets see which way it want to go from here.

I use Amibroker for everyday analysis on US and ASX stocks. Its like $250 for a lifetime license with 5 full version updates, cheap for its power.

There is a ton of free code, free books etc.

I seems that it could be a lasting software application too, not likely to get bought out and held to ransom.

It will take free yahoo data, but i would recommend you pay for data.

Also remember, Technical analysis is not "predictive". It only lets you get on the side of the trade with the least risk, or according to Jim Dalton
"we don't forecast, we assess the risk of our positions. We seek to exit positions that have above average risk, and to establish positions that provide favorable risk/reward characteristics"

www.amibroker.com
www.premiumdata.net

i receive no benefit from recommending these.

Cheers,


CanOz
 
Also remember, Technical analysis is not "predictive". It only lets you get on the side of the trade with the least risk, or according to Jim Dalton
CanOz

Thank you both for your feedback. CanOz, I really appreciate your comment above and will certainly take it on board. The extrapolation of historical data is the reason why I stayed clear in the past of chart analysis to predict future performance, so your advice puts it into perspective (it may be obvious, I don't have a significant finance background). It has definitely been another interesting day on the markets. I will keep a eye on BHP and a couple of others I have been looking at and will post my thoughts on it.

I checked out those platforms, unfortunately I run mac so amibroker is out.
 
Thank you both for your feedback. CanOz, I really appreciate your comment above and will certainly take it on board. The extrapolation of historical data is the reason why I stayed clear in the past of chart analysis to predict future performance, so your advice puts it into perspective (it may be obvious, I don't have a significant finance background). It has definitely been another interesting day on the markets. I will keep a eye on BHP and a couple of others I have been looking at and will post my thoughts on it.

I checked out those platforms, unfortunately I run mac so amibroker is out.

You can still run a windows OS on a mac?
 
Also remember, Technical analysis is not "predictive". It only lets you get on the side of the trade with the least risk, or according to Jim Dalton
"we don't forecast, we assess the risk of our positions. We seek to exit positions that have above average risk, and to establish positions that provide favorable risk/reward characteristics"

In general terms---yes.
We CAN forecast. We can "establish" positions with favorable risk/reward characteristics and we can pretty well remove most all risk by moving to B/E (Break even) as soon as possible.

However a good analyst will be able to consider possible price targets going forward using his analytical skill.

From Measured moves
To pattern price targets
To support and or resistance areas
Fibonachi extensions
Or Elliott Wave projections.

All have a place in trade management -- particularly discretionary traders.
 
In general terms---yes.
We CAN forecast. We can "establish" positions with favorable risk/reward characteristics and we can pretty well remove most all risk by moving to B/E (Break even) as soon as possible.

The reason i don't like to think of Technical Analysis as "predictive" is:

1.) I believe the future cannot be predicted
2.) I don't wish to put myself in a position where i am looking to be right, anything can and does happen.

I do believe that an informed analyst considers all scenarios and attempts to go with what is most "probable".

Many people starting out think this form of analysis is predictive, and that is simply not correct, as I've noted you have also said before.

However, not to cloud the thread with semantics, i will agree to dis-agree politely with you on this one this time Tech.

Cheers,


CanOz
 
The reason i don't like to think of Technical Analysis as "predictive" is:

1.) I believe the future cannot be predicted
2.) I don't wish to put myself in a position where i am looking to be right, anything can and does happen.

I do believe that an informed analyst considers all scenarios and attempts to go with what is most "probable".

Many people starting out think this form of analysis is predictive, and that is simply not correct, as I've noted you have also said before.

However, not to cloud the thread with semantics, i will agree to dis-agree politely with you on this one this time Tech.

Cheers,

CanOz

Aw come on where's the fun in debate!

The sun will rise tomorrow.
I will be taxed on my earnings.
I wont get all the chores set by my wife done this weekend!

But I do understand.

People think that a signal that is in fact an alert is a predictive entry--IE price will move in your favor from this alert forward. Or price will cease to move in your favor from this alert forward.

Would you feel better if we removed the reference of predictive.

I often use the word anticipate.
When refering to a signal I think this is an appropriate word.
When looking at a pattern or level perhaps measured would be appropriate.

Either way I dont think a true analyst can ignore technical geometry.
 
The reason i don't like to think of Technical Analysis as "predictive" is:

1.) I believe the future cannot be predicted
2.) I don't wish to put myself in a position where i am looking to be right, anything can and does happen.

I do believe that an informed analyst considers all scenarios and attempts to go with what is most "probable".

Aw come on where's the fun in debate!

The sun will rise tomorrow.
I will be taxed on my earnings.
I wont get all the chores set by my wife done this weekend!

But I do understand.

People think that a signal that is in fact an alert is a predictive entry--IE price will move in your favor from this alert forward. Or price will cease to move in your favor from this alert forward.

Would you feel better if we removed the reference of predictive.

What about considering that discretionary trading uses predictive probability, ie. should something occur then we can predict a probable outcome.
Example, if I enter a trade on the completion of a wave.2 then then I can fairly safely predict that there is a probability that it will have a better outcome than the same entry based on completion of a wave.4.

If we couldn't predict a probable outcome then there would be no point in attempting to trade, we would just be gambling in hope.

Predictive probability is a common term in the medical profession, particularly in the drug manufacture and trial process.

I still prefer the term predict but I am constantly aware the outcome is a probability (that I may be able to predict :D).

Link to an example of a prediction of a probability...
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=13052&page=2&p=770312&viewfull=1#post770312
 
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