Storm Financial Group

bunyip · 19 January 2012

Solly said:
bunyip

To me, this flags the issue of that fine line between, "education", general advice and specific advice. Might be worth dropping a line to Greg Medcraft for some clarity.

S

Maybe we could assign Frank to this case – he seems to have a particular fondness for writing to ASIC!

Ijustnewit · 19 January 2012

bunyip said:
Maybe we could assign Frank to this case – he seems to have a particular fondness for writing to ASIC!

At least Frank is trying to prevent another car crash , rather than pouring more oil on the road. Credit where credit is due.

bunyip · 19 January 2012

Ijustnewit said:
At least Frank is trying to prevent another car crash , rather than pouring more oil on the road. Credit where credit is due.

I’ve already commended Frank and wished him well in his efforts to prevent further ‘car crashes’. I do so again now.

I’ve driven more than two million kilometers myself and have never been involved in a single road accident.
My policy is to drive cautiously and don’t take stupid and unnecessary risks.
The same policy has kept me safe in investment matters as well.

Harleyquin · 19 January 2012

Julia I do read this thread thoroughly when I have the time. I suggest you read Franks latest posts as he explains my thoughts at present far better than I can as I'm presently time poor. I have no interest in checking how bank shares have fared over the last five years or in fact how they'll fare in the next five, to me they are a non event and the fact remains that our banks in this country are making record profits according to news reports over the past three days. However the site you've suggested is one that I 'm very familiar with and if anyone else is interested I'm sure it will help them.

Julia · 19 January 2012

Well, HQ, silly me for thinking you'd appreciate the info as to how to check something out for yourself, rather than just parroting off what someone else says.

Judd · 20 January 2012

Julia said:
Well, HQ, silly me for thinking you'd appreciate the info as to how to check something out for yourself, rather than just parroting off what someone else says.

Oh well, Julia, as that old saw goes, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them think.

:sheep::sheep:

shibby · 20 January 2012

I vowed I would never write on this forum again but after the last 3 posts regarding Harlequin I just can not help myself.
What a nasty piece of works you three are.
Harlequin does not pretend to be any thing other than what she is and that is someone who is trying to understand just what happened and in a very nice way trying her best to warn other people that all is not necessarily what is appears on the surface.

There were requests earlier requesting more people to be honest and come forth and talk about their own experiences but why Julie, Bunyip and Judd are on the forum no one would dare bare their soul.

Julia I am the person who supplied Frank with the details of your earlier slip up about Solicitors I know you have an alarmingly high rate of illusions of grandeur but I didn’t trowel through 100 ‘s of pages trying to catch you out I had remembered the comment well because of my family association with the legal profession and with what I had saved its took a matter of seconds.
You would have to be one of the nastiest people ever on this forum every now and then there is the pretence of kindness a lull in the assassination and then you attack a bit like a black widow spider maybe its time to change your avatar that way future contributors will be pre warned.

As for Bunyip or better known as Sir Perfectio we mere mortals should have a competition over the choice of your avatar. From memory a financial wizard extraordinaire and of course the latest he is now even a superior driver who has driven millions of miles and never had an accident and folks don’t forget those wonderful parenting skills we hear it all ad nauseum you too are a legend in your own mind we have a bit of theme happening here between these two I wonder if there could be some sort of a relationship?

No wonder there is no patience with us mere mortals who got involved with Storm I think this has been a wonderful experience for Julia and Bunyip they can revel in their superiority

Judd your latest comment is something that I would have expected from Julia the forum of late has definitely gone down a notch or two.

Julia · 20 January 2012

Shibby, I don't actually remember any of your previous posts (clearly don't have your memory) but will assume you're another unhappy and damaged ex Storm client.

I'm sorry about your situation and if having a go at me makes you feel better about it, then please feel free. Happy to be your target if directing your anger in my direction helps you.

I will, however, correct you regarding your assertion of a 'slip up'.
I have patiently explained before, but will do so again, there was no 'slip up' much as you might wish there to be. In one instance I described an experience with an investment scheme, no legal advice or indeed advice of any kind involved from lawyer or anyone else, and in the second instance I referred to my thus far entirely positive , if limited, experiences of consulting a lawyer for legal advice.

If you cannot understand that there is no connection between the two, then there's nothing I can do to further help you.

Harleyquin · 21 January 2012

Julia at long last we agree on something. Very silly of you indeed and highly insensitive to boot. I'm more than capable of speaking for myself, I just happen to think that Frank has expressed himself very well as usual. As for agreeing with someone else on this forum I've seen where once again you've agreed with bunyips load of rubbish re the banking industry selling their "commodities". Do you really think our financial industry compares with our petroleum industry? Obviously you do. Well done!!!

Harleyquin · 21 January 2012

Judd you obviously follow the sheep in front of you...and NO we didn't do that with storm. There are far too many assumptions coming from the anti stormy side of the fence. It's time you did some research and found out exactly what transpired pre-collapse. Especially between the financial planner and the banker. Or can I lead you the horse to water and you also refuse to drink? There's obviously a few thirsty old nags on this forum.

Tysonboss1 · 21 January 2012

Harleyquin said:
Judd nobody need worry about their bank shares not performing well. Our banking system is strong and I'm sure it will stay that way. Billions in profit pa from several banks in this country speaks for itself.

As a stormy all I'm basically saying is "why did they provide storm will the funds if storms advice was so outrageous?"

All they need to do is acknowledge their past mistakes. Pay the price and move on, instead of this on-going saga.

Because if you bring in rules to stop the 1% do dumb things, then you'll probably also stop the rest from doing smart things.

If things had turned out differently and the markets went your way, no doubt you would be living the high life saying how smart you were, but things went bad and now your looking for others to blame.

It's not up to the bank to mother you, your an adult, take some resposibility for the things you let happen.

Frank Ainslie · 21 January 2012

shibby said:
I vowed I would never write on this forum again but after the last 3 posts regarding Harlequin I just can not help myself.
What a nasty piece of works you three are.
Harlequin does not pretend to be any thing other than what she is and that is someone who is trying to understand just what happened and in a very nice way trying her best to warn other people that all is not necessarily what is appears on the surface.

There were requests earlier requesting more people to be honest and come forth and talk about their own experiences but why Julie, Bunyip and Judd are on the forum no one would dare bare their soul.

Julia I am the person who supplied Frank with the details of your earlier slip up about Solicitors I know you have an alarmingly high rate of illusions of grandeur but I didn’t trowel through 100 ‘s of pages trying to catch you out I had remembered the comment well because of my family association with the legal profession and with what I had saved its took a matter of seconds.
You would have to be one of the nastiest people ever on this forum every now and then there is the pretence of kindness a lull in the assassination and then you attack a bit like a black widow spider maybe its time to change your avatar that way future contributors will be pre warned.

As for Bunyip or better known as Sir Perfectio we mere mortals should have a competition over the choice of your avatar. From memory a financial wizard extraordinaire and of course the latest he is now even a superior driver who has driven millions of miles and never had an accident and folks don’t forget those wonderful parenting skills we hear it all ad nauseum you too are a legend in your own mind we have a bit of theme happening here between these two I wonder if there could be some sort of a relationship?

No wonder there is no patience with us mere mortals who got involved with Storm I think this has been a wonderful experience for Julia and Bunyip they can revel in their superiority

Judd your latest comment is something that I would have expected from Julia the forum of late has definitely gone down a notch or two.

Hi Shibby,

“There were requests earlier requesting more people to be honest and come forth and talk about their own experiences but why Julie, Bunyip and Judd are on the forum no one would dare bare their soul.”

I tend to agree with your comments regarding those particular individuals on this forum that are downright unpleasant at times. However, if people use these 'nasties'’ spitefulness as an excuse not to participate, then I have little sympathy for them. Wars are not won by people hiding in ditches but rather by those that overcome their fears and give it back in good measure to their tormentors. After all, who are these people anyway that dare to preach to us? There is nothing in any way superior about them when you think about it. For instance, whatever Julia now says must be taken with a pinch of salt and Bunyip ran out of new material a long time ago. Hardly people that anyone should take seriously!

Let’s be honest! This particular forum is unimportant in the scheme of things and therefore what certain individuals on it think of us Stormies is also unimportant. They may think it is but it isn’t! Their individual opinions of us are quite irrelevant. There’s not much point therefore in getting upset over such people because they are just not worth worrying about.

If people want to know the truth about Storm and the Banks we will tell our story. If not, so be it! After all, it’s no skin off our noses one way or the other. If we Stormies keep this in mind, we should be able to quite happily ignore these bigots and answer questions only from those that seem genuinely interested.

”Judd your latest comment is something that I would have expected from Julia the forum of late has definitely gone down a notch or two.”

Whilst people remain reluctant to speak, it will remain so. You have spoken your mind. If others feel so inclined, so should they. Remember this:

“Start doing the things you think should be done, and start being what you think society should become. Do you believe in free speech? Then speak freely. Do you love the truth? Then tell it. Do you believe in an open society? Then act in the open. Do you believe in a decent and humane society? Then behave decently and humanely. /I]-Adam Michnik.”

Harleyquin · 21 January 2012

Rubbish TB. The financial advice we were given came from a licensed professional advisor. Pre collapse I was under the impression that these people were professionals. Now we find out 'no they're not professionals, no you can't trust them, no it doesn't matter what they say you have to do x amount of research, the list goes on'. And then to top it all off we find out after the collapse that storm in conjunction with their 'partners' who just happen to be some of our major banks are running an unregistered investment scheme.

What you're conveniently forgetting is that we were seeking financial advice, we never pretended to be experts in the field. We made sure these people carried the right pieces of paper, nobody wants to risk their money. When someone is 'qualified' I assumed, wrongly, that they would know what they were talking about. They conned us and it is so convenient that all the cockroaches are now crawling out of the woodwork to blame the victims of this crime.

If you understood what the storm/bank people were doing to their clients, why didn't you do something about it instead of waiting until after the event to throw mud. You have no idea what you're talking about. Do some research it might just help.

Frank Ainslie · 21 January 2012

Tysonboss1 said:
Because if you bring in rules to stop the 1% do dumb things, then you'll probably also stop the rest from doing smart things.

If things had turned out differently and the markets went your way, no doubt you would be living the high life saying how smart you were, but things went bad and now your looking for others to blame.

It's not up to the bank to mother you, your an adult, take some resposibility for the things you let happen.

You are either a banker or an idiot! Either way, you need to do some research before you mouth off any further. It's people like you, who are totally ignorant of the facts, that quite frankly give us the ****s!

Harleyquin · 21 January 2012

Thanks Shibby appreciate your comments and agree with them 100%. I do remember your earlier posts.

It doesn't seem to matter how often any of the Stormies tell it like it was and is the cockroaches are ever present.

Once again Frank has posted a thought provoking and truthful post. Might I suggest that those of you who persist in criticizing these posts actually read them.

To BJJac ie Bunyip Julia and Judd and co, go away and do some real research instead of coming back with your usual uninformed garbage.

Tysonboss1 · 21 January 2012

Yes they gave "advice".

You chose to take the bad advice.

Just take the lessons you can get out of it and move on, it's you fault.

Yes you had some things done to you that were a bit off, but your the one who set things up so that those things could happen.

You can't claim ignorance, every individual is their own chief risk officer.

It is up to you to examine the facts and know what your doing,

Saying it is not your fault because you were just a blind follower is plan wrong.

Solly · 21 January 2012

Why am I sensing that a Circular Argument Syndrome is starting to besiege this thread ?

In that direction," the Cat said, " lives a Hatter and in that direction lives a March Hare. . . . . . .

Are there any other ex-clients, advisers or associated parties who are willing to enter this Den and share experiences and opinions of their first hand involvement in this debacle ?

S

bunyip · 21 January 2012

Harleyquin said:
To BJJac ie Bunyip Julia and Judd and co, go away and do some real research instead of coming back with your usual uninformed garbage.

Harleyquin old friend, I respectfully suggest you take you own advice.
If YOU had done some simple research instead of believing everything you were told, you wouldn’t be in your current predicament.

bunyip · 21 January 2012

shibby said:
I vowed I would never write on this forum again but after the last 3 posts regarding Harlequin I just can not help myself.
What a nasty piece of works you three are.
Harlequin does not pretend to be any thing other than what she is and that is someone who is trying to understand just what happened and in a very nice way trying her best to warn other people that all is not necessarily what is appears on the surface.

There were requests earlier requesting more people to be honest and come forth and talk about their own experiences but why Julie, Bunyip and Judd are on the forum no one would dare bare their soul.

Julia I am the person who supplied Frank with the details of your earlier slip up about Solicitors I know you have an alarmingly high rate of illusions of grandeur but I didn’t trowel through 100 ‘s of pages trying to catch you out I had remembered the comment well because of my family association with the legal profession and with what I had saved its took a matter of seconds.
You would have to be one of the nastiest people ever on this forum every now and then there is the pretence of kindness a lull in the assassination and then you attack a bit like a black widow spider maybe its time to change your avatar that way future contributors will be pre warned.

As for Bunyip or better known as Sir Perfectio we mere mortals should have a competition over the choice of your avatar. From memory a financial wizard extraordinaire and of course the latest he is now even a superior driver who has driven millions of miles and never had an accident and folks don’t forget those wonderful parenting skills we hear it all ad nauseum you too are a legend in your own mind we have a bit of theme happening here between these two I wonder if there could be some sort of a relationship?

No wonder there is no patience with us mere mortals who got involved with Storm I think this has been a wonderful experience for Julia and Bunyip they can revel in their superiority

Judd your latest comment is something that I would have expected from Julia the forum of late has definitely gone down a notch or two.

Hello again Shibby lass - Happy New Year to you.

It’s been quite a while since we last had the privilege of being treated to one of the nasty and abusive rants that are your specialty.
You should have taken the advice I gave you about two years ago....don't read my posts if I upset you so much.

But anyway, rather than getting upset over your latest outburst, we'll make allowances for you on the basis that you’re still sore because you got sucked in by a ponzi scheme and we didn’t.

Peace and happiness to you for 2012...hope it’s a good year for you.

shibby · 21 January 2012

Tysonboss1 said:
Yes they gave "advice".

You chose to take the bad advice.

Just take the lessons you can get out of it and move on, it's you fault.

Yes you had some things done to you that were a bit off, but your the one who set things up so that those things could happen.

You can't claim ignorance, every individual is their own chief risk officer.

It is up to you to examine the facts and know what your doing,

Saying it is not your fault because you were just a blind follower is plan wrong.

Tysonboss1 (goodness me are there 2 of you)

My questions to you are have you read any of the submissions to the Ripoll Parliamentary Inquiry?

Are you just a wizz kid trader who sits on the computer and knows nothing about life and what really happened?

Educate your self about this disaster and then make a comment - you are saying nothing new you are just making the same statement that we have heard time and time and time again and it is so boring.

I bet you haven't even read the earlier posts on this forum you have simply jumped in to bash us becuase you think we are down and out.

Nothing could be futher than the truth I have never been so determined in my life that I will get through this.

Sorry to disappoint you Julie I am not unhappy, I am not damaged, I am wiser and I am determined to see this through to the end - it has been a long 3 years but guess what we are still here still fighting because we are in the right.
We might have been gullible even naive but we are generations of fighters and will not give in till the end.

Win or lose we will see it through because that's who we are.

Why dont you and Julia and Bunyip and Judd talk about who you really are?

By your posts you look like just bullies who get off on other peoples misfortune because you feel like c**p.

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