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Sources are telling me that the Stormers are getting very, very restless. More to come...
Hi Solly,
We've been restless since the end of 2008!
Here's the goss on the BOQ in North Ward:
https://sites.google.com/site/boqnorthward/
I'll be launching more websites outlining the crimes of the CBA and the Macquarie Bank in due course. It may take me some time though because there are a lot of charge sheets to wade through.
ASIC has millions of documents on its data base in relation to Storm and its dealings with these Banks. It probably has one man on the job to go through them all. That's probably the reason it's taken them forever to get these proceedings under way.
Thank God a date has now been set at the latter part of next year for this all to unfold in Court. I think a few eyes will be opened then, and a few "knockers" will have egg on their face.
If some people within Storm and these Banks that have done the wrong thing don't go to prison after all this, then the Law will well and truly be an ass!
Regards
Frank
The people who sold Storm Financials investment strategy, from the advisers right through to the CEO who couldn’t remember whether he was the CEO, must be delighted to see how the heat is being directed away from them and towards the banks instead.
I won’t be at all surprised if those Storm gurus get off with just a slap over the wrist or maybe even scot free, despite being the primary architects of the financial tragedy that befell so many Storm clients.
Rather than easing up on the Storm henchmen, what’s needed is a concerted and ongoing effort to keep the heat on them if they’re ever to face justice for leading investors into a reckless and highly risky investment strategy.
Yet almost three years after the collapse of Storm and the financial wipeout of their clients, rather than seeing Storm under sustained pressure and criticism, there are articles and comments in circulation that support Storm’s strategy instead of exposing its shortcomings.
One example of comments supportive of Storms strategy appears on the SICAG website in an article about Margin Lending written by Luke Vogel.
Vogel takes a swipe at the media for claiming that Storm investors were greedy because they were choosing high risk/high return investments. He points out that the Storm model promised ‘average market returns’ – nothing more, nothing less.
He appears to imply that Storm had a conservative investment strategy by virtue of the fact that it recommended investment in Index Funds that track the performance of the overall stockmarket, rather than trying to outperform the market.
While this does appear on the surface to be a relatively conservative investment strategy, what needs to be understood is that it was coupled with other aspects of the Storm model that were far from conservative.
Listed below are some of these non-conservative aspects of the Storm model.....Luke Vogel conveniently doesn’t mention them in his article.
* Double gearing, where assets such as real estate are used as collateral for a loan to invest in the stockmarket, then these stockmarket assets (all bought with borrowed money) are used as collateral for further loans for further market investment. Borrowings supported by borrowings.
Not by any measure can such a strategy to be considered as conservative or low risk. It was an accident waiting to happen.
* 100% of investment funds sunk into the stockmarket, which in itself can be a volatile and risky investment vehicle even when using index funds.
We’ve all heard the old adage ‘Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket’. Storms investment model ignored this age old wisdom by heavily investing its clients into the stockmarket, without proper regard to their age or their financial situation or their capacity to service their loans.
* Recommending that clients sink their super and retirement savings into the stockmarket.
Hardly a safe or conservative investment strategy.
* Margin Loans....great for magnifying your gains when the market is rising, but equally good at magnifying losses when the market falls. And markets always fall much faster than they rise. Not well suited to financing ‘buy and hold’ investments in something as volatile as the stockmarket. Again, hardly a safe or conservative strategy.
Luke Vogel was an adviser with Storm Financial and was later on the committee of SICAG. He would be fully conversant with all the points I’ve mentioned above, but given his background as a Storm employee, I guess it’s understandable why he doesn’t mention these aspects of the Storm model.
His comments can hardly be considered impartial....they paint Storm in a far better light than they deserve to be painted. It’s these sort of comments that take the heat off Storm, and may well help to produce an end result whereby Storm Financial and its cohorts escape being brought to justice for destroying so many clients through dodgy, high risk strategies and incompetent management of their clients investments.
Hi Frank
I see that you are now a participant in the Class Action against BOQ. I will be watching with much interest. Your new website really has some powerful comment.
Today I spent the afternoon with my Stormer mate. He's still looking a bit drawn but this is the most determined I've seen him since this whole saga commenced.
He seems to have a second wind, a fire in his belly to ensure that the momentum is sustained to bring the perpetrators of this injustice to account.
The hierarchy of the banks, the previous principals of the entities involved and those who work in the mechanisms of public administration that oversee the laws, I believe are now recognising the unfailing commitment of all those aggrieved by this event to seek an equitable outcome.
I now believe more than ever that the Stormers are very organised and determined collective that will never ever give up until their total demands are fully compensated for the harm that has been inflicted.
S
More by Kate Kachor @ www.investordaily.com.au
bunyip, an informative post but there is one small point that you may have overlooked which has been raised by others; that is the question of hindsight. It would have been interesting if ASIC or others had stepped in in 2006 or so when things were going swimmingly well and said, this investment model is way too dangerous for you punters so we are closing it down or warning you against it. Would Storm clients have then rushed for the exit? Don't know and we never will.
......I told him not to buy it and why, but he bought it anyway, and of course lost heaps of money.............
Many people knew the dangers inherent in heavily gearing into the stockmarket - they well remember the lessons of 1987. They didn't get caught by the likes of Storm.
Others did get caught. Most of them were around in 1987.
Others will get caught in the future by dodgy investment schemes.
That's how it's always been and always will be.
No corporate watchdog and no amount of legislation will ever change that.
Judd, it's an interesting question - would they or wouldn't they have jumped ship if ASIC or anyone else had told them what they were doing was fraught with danger? Perhaps some would and some wouldn’t. As you say, we’ll never really know.
My experience with human nature is that prudent people sometimes tend to become imprudent when exposed to the lure of big money.
A friend of mine bought a ten thousand dollar software package that was going to make him his fortune in the stockmarket. I told him not to buy it and why, but he bought it anyway, and of course lost heaps of money.
A relative of mine borrowed a six figure sum to invest in the stockmarket. She was sitting on a 100% gain when the bull market showed clear signs of running out of steam just prior to the 2008 crash. The warnings were loud and clear in every newspaper and every news program for months before the crash. I told her to sell out but she didn’t. Years later she’s still holding her shares and still paying interest on the loan. Her shares are worth much less than she paid for them.
She’s normally a prudent person, but the lure of money clearly affected her judgment.
Many people knew the dangers inherent in heavily gearing into the stockmarket - they well remember the lessons of 1987. They didn't get caught by the likes of Storm.
Others did get caught. Most of them were around in 1987.
Others will get caught in the future by dodgy investment schemes.
That's how it's always been and always will be.
No corporate watchdog and no amount of legislation will ever change that.
My example client couple walks in to my office aged 65 with a house worth $500,000 paid off and $400,000 in super. My advice (and that of most advisers) would be to start an allocated pension/s, draw a sustainable amount of 5% tax free money and apply for the aged pension. They could have expected somewhere in the order of $40,000 - $50,000 per annum from that strategy. A comfortable retirement.
Storm clients were told to borrow against the home to 80% ($400,000) and pull out the super. Invest that $800,000 into nothing but Aussie shares and then gear against it with a margin loan of another $800,000. With $1.6M now invested and assumed(always dangerous) returns of 10% per annum they were drawing incomes of around $100,000 per annum. Interest was capitalised so was never part of the costs. Massive interest costs meant tax deductions to offset income earnt.
Should the bank be found liable for their part and clients receive some sort of compensation, will Storm clients be paying back the extra money they happily received and spent on OS holidays etc????
There is no question wrong has been done but someone who was part of the strategy for 5+ years probably received and spent more than $250,000 above what the average retiree would have lived on. This was part of the strategy Storm used to sucker clients but that doesn't make it acceptable for storm clients to forget they lived a pretty high life while the going was good.
If they were self funded retirees, why would a simple and safe strategy such as outlined above by Doobsy not be more acceptable than double gearing?People did not invest in Storm because of the lure of big money! 75% of those that invested in Storm were self-funded retirees that had worked hard all their lives to insure that they would be financial self-sustaining when they grew old.
You didn't think that borrowing up to 80% on your freehold property to buy shares and then taking out a margin loan on those shares bought with borrowed funds was risky????The Storm financial model was sold to us as a ‘low risk scheme’ with a capital growth over 7 to 10 years with little risk attached because investments were made in shares on a broad market front.
Judd, it's an interesting question - would they or wouldn't they have jumped ship if ASIC or anyone else had told them what they were doing was fraught with danger? Perhaps some would and some wouldn’t. As you say, we’ll never really know.
My experience with human nature is that prudent people sometimes tend to become imprudent when exposed to the lure of big money.
A friend of mine bought a ten thousand dollar software package that was going to make him his fortune in the stockmarket. I told him not to buy it and why, but he bought it anyway, and of course lost heaps of money.
A relative of mine borrowed a six figure sum to invest in the stockmarket. She was sitting on a 100% gain when the bull market showed clear signs of running out of steam just prior to the 2008 crash. The warnings were loud and clear in every newspaper and every news program for months before the crash. I told her to sell out but she didn’t. Years later she’s still holding her shares and still paying interest on the loan. Her shares are worth much less than she paid for them.
She’s normally a prudent person, but the lure of money clearly affected her judgment.
Many people knew the dangers inherent in heavily gearing into the stockmarket - they well remember the lessons of 1987. They didn't get caught by the likes of Storm.
Others did get caught. Most of them were around in 1987.
Others will get caught in the future by dodgy investment schemes.
That's how it's always been and always will be.
No corporate watchdog and no amount of legislation will ever change that.
If they were self funded retirees, why would a simple and safe strategy such as outlined above by Doobsy not be more acceptable than double gearing?
You didn't think that borrowing up to 80% on your freehold property to buy shares and then taking out a margin loan on those shares bought with borrowed funds was risky????
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