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SPI nooby questions

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Hi all,

I've been circling the SPI futures contract now for around a month. Signed up to IB and I"m just putting down the final calculations when I hit a few concerns.


Now from my understanding the inital margin in roughly $6000 ATM. So if I entered into 3 contracts (initial 18k) and there is a 30 point movement then I could expect a 2.2k return? Is this right? Thats just over a 10% return while the options contract would have chalked up a 60% return. Doesn't sound like leverage to me :(

Have I calculated this right?

Was anyone else concerned about putting such a large amount of money up front for that kind of return?

I wanted to use the SPI to hedge any option contracts I have on the XJO, BHP or CBA as these tend to follow each other closely aren't exactly the most liquid.

So if I wanted to hedge a 20k XJO position against a 10k unwanted movement then I would need to put up what? roughly 80k on a futures position?

I've only been trading a year any I don't av that much, nor do I want to take out a loan. Have I calculated everything right? I haven't traded futures before. I didn't want to use such a large % on a hedge. Thats what 400% on a hedge?

Everywhere I've read on futures says that they are "much" riskier that options.
 
Re: SPI nooby questions.

Dude!!!!

$2250 win or LOSS!

Man :banghead:

Try looking into position sizing............
 
Re: SPI nooby questions.

Na,

No loss because I wasn't planning on making any money from the SPI.

Hedge?

Any movement againt me on the spi would be written up on my open option contracts.

Don't you like hedging?
 
Re: SPI nooby questions.

Shorting the SPI at say...4900 and a 6 point stop loss, 20k account and 2% risk, 6000 in initial margin.

CanOz
 

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Re: SPI nooby questions.

Na,

No loss because I wasn't planning on making any money from the SPI.

Hedge?

Any movement againt me on the spi would be written up on my open option contracts.

Don't you like hedging?

Yeah really. how is that gonna go with different Deltas :confused::viking::sheep::batman::wreath:pirate:
 
Re: SPI nooby questions.

All part of the cycle,

Sometimes the different delta will work for me as well as against me
 
Re: SPI nooby questions.

All part of the cycle,

Sometimes the different delta will work for me as well as against me

Yeah .... ripper.

the other thing being if its a close hedge then what are you trading? long XJO short SPI :confused: synthetically you are flat? What bit are you long?
 
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