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"Green schemes have emerged as a new driver of price increases," warns IPART.
It's the result of federal and NSW incentives for households to install solar panels on their roofs. The bigger than expected take-up has overtones of Labor's disastrous home insulation program. It serves the yearning by higher-income environmentally aware consumers to save the planet by acting locally while getting other consumers to subsidise their power bills.
Sims slams the combination of federal and NSW solar panel incentives as "an expensive, cost-ineffective way of reducing carbon emissions". "Its cost will be borne either by consumers or taxpayers for many years to come," the IPART ruling says. Of course, the whole point of a carbon tax is to eliminate the need for such high-cost abatement. Yet the power price increases fuelled by high-cost green schemes are inflaming the catch-22 backlash against a lower-cost carbon price.
It doesn't pay to work on the generation potential that is given by salesmen. They quote the maximum potential, my 4kw unit produced a total of 1407 kwh in 84 days. My unit is ideally placed, has the right aspect with no shade whatsoever and an ideal roof pitch. We had a period of abnormal cloudy days and rain but even on good days there really is only an hour or two of top generation. 2000kwh may be achievable but I suggest it is optomistic.
I haven't worked out the exact cost, but I'll put it this way. The entire electricity industry, from fuel supply (to power stations) to distribution in your street, has major issues dealing with variation in demand (particularly at the extremes). If batteries were viable as a means of storage, you can be pretty sure that the industry would be using them.Has some one work out the cost per KW and what is the life of the battries?
Are you better off putting power back into the grid and just run the meter left and right to save buying batteries, cables, controllers etc.
What happens in future is a damn good question and I must say that the electricity industry has a pretty poor track record of actually sticking to a plan as far as household consumers are concerned. Lots of things have come and gone over the years, and more than few have been left with dud investments as a result.But in the future when you don't get payed for export will the solar generation reduce your imports through this style meter?
With the old meter if you were using less than you were making ,your meter went backwards and reduced your bill.
I wonder, when the rebate for exported power stops, if you can ask for one of the old meters to be installed?
Salesman figures were around 2500kWh to 2800kWh.It doesn't pay to work on the generation potential that is given by salesmen. They quote the maximum potential, my 4kw unit produced a total of 1407 kwh in 84 days. My unit is ideally placed, has the right aspect with no shade whatsoever and an ideal roof pitch. We had a period of abnormal cloudy days and rain but even on good days there really is only an hour or two of top generation. 2000kwh may be achievable but I suggest it is optomistic.
Yes, shading one panel will affect the output of the whole string since the panels are wired in series.With regard to the tree shade, if one panel (or more) is shaded in part or in full, does this affect the output from the remaining unshaded panels ?
Bottom line is that the actual cost of your household electricity supply is several hundred $ per annum just to keep the system available. In addition, there's the cost of actually generating electricity (which is relatively low by the way).I was reading were the introduction of fuel efficient cars would deprive the feds of revenue so they are now looking at way to tax the hybrid's etc wonder if the same will happen to solar were the power stations are not making money and each price rise make more people go solar.
Thanks Dr Zacchary, I heard something this morning on the radio.Panic stations ?http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-over-solar-plan/story-e6frg6nf-1226047241258One wonders what the Feds will do in the upcoming budget.
I wonder too how much longer the party will last in WA. In recent months there has been a sharp increase in system installs.I'm sure the announcer said it's possible that even the 20c feed in tariff could go.
I wonder too how much longer the party will last in WA. In recent months there has been a sharp increase in system installs.
SOLAR panel rebates could be slashed again after the Government confirmed it was still concerned the scheme was driving up electricity prices for the poor.
Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said he was deeply concerned about the equity of the program that some experts estimated was already costing families that couldn't afford panels about $100 a year.
That's because the cost of the uncapped solar credits scheme that offers grants of about $6000 is passed on to consumers by electricity retailers, rather than being a cash grant in the Federal Budget.
Electricity users pay again when a feed-in tariff scheme "pays" the solar householders who produce more electricity than they use.
What happens to all the solar panel companies that have started up ?Some see a moral issue here with those who don't want or can't afford solar panels subsidising those who have installed them. Combet will probably pull the plug soon.
Wind "sort of" stacks up in Tasmania since it integrates very nicely with the energy constrained baseload hydro system where it can be an actual alternative to other means of system expansion. Also we don't have cheap coal as an alternative (we've got some coal, but lack of attainable scale in mining and using it precludes doing it cheaply as confirmed by numerous studies over the years).Good summation smurf, coal is still the cheapest base load fuel,in W.A and will be for a long time. Alternative sources e.g wind and solar still require spinning reserves to cover them. Renewables won't be a real success untill battery storage technology improves.
I didn't think it would be a long wait.Panic stations ?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-over-solar-plan/story-e6frg6nf-1226047241258
One wonders what the Feds will do in the upcoming budget.
Under the solar credits scheme, householders are eligible for an upfront payment worth five times the value of certificates their solar panels will produce.
That was to have been scaled back to four times from July 1 under changes announced in December but the scale-back will be deepened today when the government declares the multiple will be cut to three from July 1.
The move will hasten the phase-out of the scheme. The multiple will fall from three to two from July 1, next year and then revert to one from July 1, 2013.
I didn't think it would be a long wait.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...on-solar-credits/story-e6frg6xf-1226050083922
As it moves to confront cost-of-living pressures, the government will also today announce it will ask state and territory governments to make sure their feed-in tariffs "do not impose an unjustifiable burden on electricity consumers".
For those of us who have them installed, this is the sting in the tail. I always knew the feed-in price was too good to last.
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