tech/a said:Interested Coyotte how YOU do this?
IE Keep the edge your way.
Do you think having the information below is important?
If so
Whats your longest string of losses?
Whats your average win rate?
Whats your average loss?
Whats your average hold time?
Whats your expectancy?
Whats your biggest winning trade?
Whats your biggest losing trade?
Whats your longest string of wins?
debaron said:hie.
I'm a beginner in stocks and basically dont know much about the going ons. I just started reading some basic books and articles online and i find it hard for me to actually cross the stage of actually practising what i read. I understand that i am new and still very much green in this area however i would really like to be more active. However, i dont know how to go about as i dont know anyone within my social circle tt does this sort of things. ( i have also just begun to join community clubs). I dont feel i am learning as much as i ought to be as most of the books i am reading are mostly introductory. I would really like to take a leap to the next level but dont know where to go.
I even considered signing up for a course but after reading soem posts on the forum i realised that the majority thinks that those are just a waste of money. I would really love to hear how most of you started. (any books that are suitable to read ?)
Please advise me on how to proceed. I am really interested to learn and not just to gain a quick buck from the market.
Anyone who DOESN'T think it's gambling should not be trading.Shroomos said:Anyone who thinks it is gambling should not be trading.
MichaelD said:Anyone who DOESN'T think it's gambling should not be trading.
One difference, though - with trading done correctly you get to be the house and have the edge in your favour.
wayneL said:In isolation I couldn't live with your first sentence, though trading certainly shares some charactaristics with gambling.
With the addition of the second sentence though, I can.
So is Crown Casino a business or a gambling outfit?
tech/a said:coyotte
Your trading CFD's are you using the full 10:1 leverage?
coyotte said:NO !
I treat them the same as a broker 20% max on a signal trade
If doing a $5000 trade (total value $5000 margin $250) that $5000 is sitting in the Trading account.
as I trade short term both L/S interest is not a problem
But I love the ease of trading --- live feed , INSTANT ORDER , good Graphs.
Except for LONGGG TERM INVESTMENTS I could not go back to trading with Comsec --- its just to damm hard compared to IGM --- its trading platform is set up for traders , ComSec for Investers
Cheers
If you are achiveing a overall S/R of 80% with a Profit on turnerover of 10% with around 5 trades each and every week , then your in the same leaque as these guys where --- otherwise just another mug punter only in a different field
The house is in business, the same as trading when done properly.wayneL said:So is Crown Casino a business or a gambling outfit?
coyotte said:The major Problem I'm confronted with is the Trading Bank
This has to be readily accesable --- But it is idle Cash
Hate the set up --- but don't know what to do about it
Any surgestions ?
Cheers
happytrader said:Hi Debaron
I would suggest you focus on the movements of one stock preferrably a bluechip - for instance after two quarters down it would be time to look at say banks.
No one can do the work for you because you need to feel safe about where you put your money in your own mind.
BTW, there is a big difference between the mindsets of an investor and a trader. Definitely some similarities to small business owners and employees.
So know who you are. The patterns of your life regarding, attachment and decision making style will give you clues.
Cheers
Happytrader
The difference ,in my mind (and one which influences the tax man)is simple: An investor looks to have shares for a reasonably long term in a successful company.A trader doesn't NEED a company to be successful but to have price swings. I have traded ,with good results, in some very unsuccessful companies., especially when they have a habit of using spin to keep the shareholders happy.Julia said:I agree with these comments, and those from Kennas and Ghoti.
Debaron, Ghoti asked you specifically how you saw the difference between being an investor and a trader and how you would do things differently in one or the other capacity? This is a good question and I'd be really interested in your answer.
Even the ATO doesn't have specific guidelines to define the difference.
Julia
nioka said:The difference ,in my mind (and one which influences the tax man)is simple: An investor looks to have shares for a reasonably long term in a successful company.A trader doesn't NEED a company to be successful but to have price swings. I have traded ,with good results, in some very unsuccessful companies., especially when they have a habit of using spin to keep the shareholders happy.
kennas said:Invest in something solid for a start. Blue chip. Then buy something else solid. Then something else. Diversify a bit. If you haven't lost all your money you could buy a managed fund with a regular investment. When you've accumulated about $30-50K I'd get a margin loan and start borrowing to invest in some more good stocks and managed funds. If you haven't lost all your money, think about putting some of that harded earned aside to 'trade' with. Paper trade for a while, develop a system, and then put it to practice. You'll lose some money so never bet the house on anything. The money you lose are your trading lessons. They don't come cheap. Plus, read, read, read, and maybe join a tip sheet or two to get ideas and join a forum to ask people questions and get other ideas.
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