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Sentencing in Australia is a disgrace

In a house in a residential area closeby to a well-funded public school and local facilities. Thats where most human beings live.

You don't think they'd shoot through, or get smuggled out by relatives or family friends or sympathisers?

And is it really our responsibility to provide schooling and housing for kids who are here illegally?
Seems to me we're hard pressed to adequately provide these facilities and services for our own citizens. I can't see that we're under any obligation to provide them to illegal immigrants, even if they're kids.
 



It certainly has, Julia.
Yet the authorities refuse to face up to that fact, continue to close down the psychiatric institutions and attempt to rehabilitate the inmates and put them back in the community.

The story of the Yorkshire Ripper is typical of the thinking here in Australia. Some moron who is big on professional qualifications but small on common sense, decides that some horrifically violent offender like Peter Sutcliffe, (the Ripper) can function normally while he's on medication.
And so a recommendation is made that he be released back into society.
Such a stupid decision doesn't take into account that many of these people just don't continue taking their medication unless they're incarcerated and are under constant supervision.

I have a relative who once worked as a mental health nurse in the Acute Psychiatric Unit of a large regional hospital. She can tell countless stories of patients who were readmitted to hospital time after time because they stopped taking their medication as soon as they were released, or in some cases got on booze and illicit drugs while taking their medication, went completely off their heads, and committed further crimes.

It almost beggars belief that those who are responsible for deciding what to do with people, continue with policies and strategies that are just not working.
 
Story on the midday news just now that some US states are looking at abolishing the death penalty in favour of life imprisonment.
Apparently it's related to finances, more specifically, how the global economic crisis is stretching the budgets of US states to the extent that they can no longer afford the death penalty.
The claim is that execution costs more than life imprisonment. Very difficult to believe.

Pity we don't re-introduce the death penalty here in Australia. I can't see how it wouldn't be a lot cheaper than keeping those animals in jail for many decades.
 

That cant be right doesnt cost a lot to kill someome but it does to feed them for 20 years.

Life in prison should mean life not the limp wristed perversions of justice handed out here.
 
Speechless..............

 
In another article State Attorney-General John Hatzistergos said that maximum penalty is 25 years.

And I can almost understand why some might again appeal severity of their sentences for rape.

 
It seems that some judges are just not up to the responsibility of making intelligent decisions regarding what sentences are appropriate.
What's the solution then - take the decisions out of the judges hands?
Let the jury decide the sentence?
Let the victim or the family of the victim decide the sentence?

Occasionally a victim or their family are the forgiving kind who say - "The culprit has already suffered enough, everyone makes mistakes, we forgive them, let them walk free."
So I guess that rules out letting victims or their families decide on appropriate penalties.
Given that juries are considered qualified to judge someone guilty or innocent, then perhaps they're also qualified to decide what sentence is imposed. Surely they can't do any worse than the judges.
It certainly appears that we have to stop relying on judges if we want to get decent justice for victims, while at the same time providing some very frightening deterrents for those who think they can break the law.
 
Judges are dictated to by the Law, they act on precedent, previous sentences.
What needs to happen is the LAW needs to be changed so judges are compelled to dole out more appropriate sentences.

In some cases they have that option but dont exercise it because they HAVE to take into account mitigating circumstances such as remorse, this is bull**** and should be abolished.

Double the size of the jails and throw every smart **** crim and thug and just leave them there so people can walk the streets at night again.
 
In addition to addressing inappropriate sentencing, and considering changes to the law, don't we have to also look at why violence is increasing exponentially?

The obvious answer is the very question we're discussing, i.e. insufficient deterrent, but this violence is extending to little kids in prep (about 4 and 5 year olds) who are attacking their classmates. They're hardly likely to be figuring out that they can do it with impunity because there's no legal redress against such behaviour.

So why is this happening? Have parents failed to set boundaries about behaviour? Do kids as young as this get the violence concept from TV?

Are these kids manipulating their parents? A psychologist I know has cut three hours off her working day so she can collect her 5 year old from prep. She was advised that he could not remain with the after 2pm limited staffing because his aggression towards the other kids is so great that he needs to have a staff member with him every moment .
The psychologist mother says at home there are no problems with his behaviour at all. A bit ironic when the child of a psychologist and a mental health unit director is indulging in uncontrollable behaviour.
 

We follow the USA, everyone wants to be a black rap crim these days.

Some take extensive martial arts courses thats why these so many deaths from fights now.

Too much grog and not enough law -

Pubs arent allowed to serve drunks but they do it all day every day, the police do nothing.
 
I agree with the sentiment that we should be looking at root causes behind these violent crimes, but lets not bury our head in the sand here. There is an issue now, and the sort of social engineering required to maybe fix the problems enough to reduce these types of crimes does not happen swiftly.

So what do we do with the current crop of people who haven't figured out that if you can't play nice with others, you don't get to belong on the team? Tougher sentencing is perhaps the only thing that can be done.

Quite frankly crimes against children sicken me and I'd like to see some of the US sentencing laws as they apply to crimes against children in force here. Eg In certain states in the U.S. I underdstand if you commit a sexual act against a child under the age of 10 it is MANDATORY life imprisonment. No bleeding heart Judge can lower that sentence because it is a mandatory minimum sentence enshrined in the law.

Mental health here in Australia is also a complete joke. One of my wife's family recently changed her depression medication which triggered a psychotic break. She didn't sleep for almost ten days, was violent towards family members (we had to move the kids out for week) and she generally went round the bend. Given that she was in no condition to admit herself - her husband was required to call the police to forcibily remove her (in handcuffs I might add) to hospital - where they booted her out of the system in less than two weeks (far too quickly) and are treating her as an outpatient.

Where the hell are the mental health hospitals anymore?

Anyway - enough griping from me.

Sir O
 

A current example of the "sick" persons inability to self medicate after reinstatement in the community is the woman released from the immigration cente and compensated for her wrongful internment. Can't immediately recall her name but her most recent escapade, after being evicted from Germany and banned from Turkey, was to be arrested in Jordan.
 
It did not happen in Australia, but if it did result would be identical.

We all are just sitting ducks in mercy of some crim, mental or youth.


 

We’ve got one too, no beheading only murder, but same result.

Attacked person not alive, perpetrator free to kill once Mental Health Review Tribunal decides to let Moko Moko go.
 
Finding justice

http://www.theage.com.au/national/finding-justice-20090305-8q3i.html

"In the case of a young offender, there can hardly ever be any conflict between the public interest and that of the offender. The public have no greater interest than that he should become a good citizen. The difficult task of the court is to determine what treatment gives the best chance of realising that objective."English judgement from Principles of Sentencing by D. A. Thomas.

THIS morning in the Melbourne County Court, four young men will be sentenced to prison for committing callous crimes against a harmless man. A fifth co-offender, one of two teenagers, will almost certainly suffer the same punishment soon for his involvement in the now-notorious arson attack on Richard Plotkin.

Many familiar with the case are likely to complain that the sentences, whatever their length, won't be long enough.

A soft target, Plotkin, 60, was left near death and horribly scarred in the attack that destroyed his home and independence. It is this loss of the life he once enjoyed and the ability to function autonomously in his community at Rosebud that he misses most.
 

Cheap as fried chips, 5 years = 3, according to wisdom of Judge Barbara Cotterell
 


3 punches + 50 cents = 2 years = err actually 1 year and 3 months

Since jails have fitness equipment, in 15 months time Kristopher might be able to punch much harder.
 
One of the lowest people ever to pollute Queensland with his presence, paedophile Dennis Ferguson, was today acquitted of molesting a 5 year old girl within a few weeks of his release from prison after serving a lengthy sentence for an earlier offence. Ferguson became Queensland's most loathed person when he was found guilty of abducting three siblings and holding them in a motel room for four days while he repeatedly raped them. From memory the kids were aged between three and seven years at the time.
The latest charge against him was dismissed because of inconclusive evidence.
It disgusts me that this grubby little apology for a human being was ever released from prison.....all because some idiotic person/s with more professional qualifications than common sense, thought he deserved a second chance.
Only a justice system that's downright pathetic releases a man who imprisons and rapes three little children for four days.
When Ferguson was put behind bars they should have left him there for the rest of his miserable life. Better still, cut off his head or hang him.
Now we sit back and wait for the next poor innocent little kid to fall victim to Dennis the menace.
 
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