Senator Fielding: Genius or Fool?

[Garpal Gumnut]

This godbothering little hard nut has been to the USA and now is a Warmening Sceptic.

There is hope for us all yet.

Let us all pray (sic) he will block all this carbon trading nonsense in the Senate.

If he does, I may even send 10c to Hillsong Incorporated.

gg

 

[Purple XS2]

Re: Senator Fielding. Genius or Fool ?

This godbothering little hard nut has been to the USA and now is a Warmening Sceptic.
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My vote goes to "fool". I would have thought the prevalence of solar flares would be something one would get from NASA, or similar, not a lobbyist.

The good senator is a gift to the nation courtesy of the Victorian ALP, a gift that keeps giving.

Let us all pray (sic) he will block all this carbon trading nonsense in the Senate.
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gg

I think the libs and the greens will do the blocking without the necessity for the good senator.
One thing can be said for Fielding: he's an obvious fool. The rest of the honourable members are better at hiding it. In fact, hiding the fact that they're fools is all they're good at.

Regards,
P.

 

[Julia]

Well, I'm going to stick up for Senator Fielding, just a bit.
Sure, he's not very bright.
But I believe he's entirely sincere and genuinely trying to do his job in what he sees as a responsible way.

He is constantly ridiculed and talked down to in media interviews but remains polite.

If some of our more shining stars of politicians had just a bit of Mr Fielding's good and genuine intentions, the parliament would be a better place.

 

[brty]

Define 'Fool', before denigrating someone you don't know. The way the media portrays him, does not mean squat.

I don't know him, but I'll bet he is neither fool nor genius, more likely an ordinary bloke that has a mountain of information hitting him from all sides.

The media is good at trying to show politicians up, and here is an example of one that it is easy to do. According to the media, he needs to be an expert on EVERY piece of legislation, not just those in the fields of the compartmentalised pollies (ministers and shadow ministers).

brty

No I didn't vote for him.

 

[scanspeak]

While I do believe that global warming is a serious and real issue, I respect his right to question the science. Good debate brings responsible outcomes.

 

[Happy]

Maybe not genius, but definitely not on the currently popular fad bandwagon.

 

[Calliope]

I'm not sure whether he is a genius or a fool, but I am sure he is not a martyr. In a double dissolution his seat would disappear in a puff of smoke.

 

[Trevor_S]

Well, I'm going to stick up for Senator Fielding, just a bit. Sure, he's not very bright.
But I believe he's entirely sincere and genuinely trying to do his job in what he sees as a responsible way.

I see him as neither fool nor genius. There are traits to admire in all people, from Hitler to Feilding... but I can't side with, nor support anyone that openly denigrates segments of the Australian population. I also despair of the way he was elected, with some 0.2% of the Vote but that's more a reflection on our terrible democracy then Fielding in person. As to Family First, their hypocrisy is breath taking, they have no interest in any family except their take on a cloistered, nuclear family from the '50's.

I have no problem with people worshipping whom ever they wish, I have a huge problem when they wish to impose their warped morals onto myself and others around me.

That he may not be as disingenuous as other politicians none the less sees him as decisive as someone like Pauline Hanson. He, like Harradine before him are, are only of any prominence when you have Senate in minority, which to my mind is more an argument for disbanding the Sentate then anything else.

 

[peterh]

I see him as neither fool nor genius. There are traits to admire in all people, from Hitler to Feilding... but I can't side with, nor support anyone that openly denigrates segments of the Australian population. I also despair of the way he was elected, with some 0.2% of the Vote but that's more a reflection on our terrible democracy then Fielding in person. As to Family First, their hypocrisy is breath taking, they have no interest in any family except their take on a cloistered, nuclear family from the '50's.

I have no problem with people worshipping whom ever they wish, I have a huge problem when they wish to impose their warped morals onto myself and others around me.

That he may not be as disingenuous as other politicians none the less sees him as decisive as someone like Pauline Hanson. He, like Harradine before him are, are only of any prominence when you have Senate in minority, which to my mind is more an argument for disbanding the Sentate then anything else.

There are nowhere near enough people today who support the "nuclear family from the '50's." What a mixed up world we live in when someone who believes in a tradition family is considered someone with 'warped morals'.

 

[Trevor_S]

What a mixed up world we live in when someone who believes in a tradition family is considered someone with 'warped morals'.

I don't, unless he insists in legislation in discriminating against other families and having his concept of family prevail, to the detriment of others.

I guess I find discrimination despicable.

 

[Quincy]

Fool

 

[badger41]

He seems a bit brighter than Senator Bob Brown, who is reported to be facing bankruptcy as he has been unable (or unwilling?) to pay a $240K legal bill over a "save a forest" action he took to court.

Begs the questions:

After all this time as a well paid senator, he can't find $240K? Remortage house? Borrow against assets? Have a Greens supporters whip around (then again, what can you really do with 100Kg of organic mushrooms?)

Surely any business person who commenced legal action, well aware he couldn't pay the legal fees if he lost, would be banned from senior business positions for many years.

And this guy wants to tell the rest of Australia how to live!

Oh well, I guess, it is one way of getting even more publicity on ABC radio and TV - lucky they don't charge him for advertising and office space. (Watch for the "Green Army" on morning ABC radio a couple of months before the next election)

Cheers, badger

 

[alwaysLearning]

Can I just throw this idea out there. I haven't yet read the entire thread but a question.

Will this carbon trading initiative benefit governments around the world as a means for creating a new tax? E.g. taxing people based upon the size of their carbon foot print?

Or taxing organisations based on how much carbon they use?

If on the other hand you told organsiations that we are cutting back on pollution in general, then I'd give a thumbs up for sure. I don't know, I am totally out of the loop these days when it comes to the environment. (really need to do some research when I get some more time).

 

[drsmith]

Will this carbon trading initiative benefit governments around the world as a means for creating a new tax?

Me thinks thats more of a motivating factor than anything else.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Well, I'm going to stick up for Senator Fielding, just a bit.
Sure, he's not very bright.
But I believe he's entirely sincere and genuinely trying to do his job in what he sees as a responsible way.

He is constantly ridiculed and talked down to in media interviews but remains polite.

If some of our more shining stars of politicians had just a bit of Mr Fielding's good and genuine intentions, the parliament would be a better place.

I agree Julia, the ABC predictably, have taken a dislike to Steve because of his family values, and the rest of the media, except for Newscorp, have followed, portraying him as a dunce.

There was quite an impressive bio on him recently in the Australian.

He's a battler, comes from a large family and was active in community affairs long before running for the Senate.

gg

 

[alwaysLearning]

Me thinks thats more of a motivating factor than anything else.

It's always about the money which ties into greed and fear. Who will win from having this deal go through and who will lose. There are stakeholders all over the place.

If I was a betting man, and I am, I would bet that whatever the biggest and richest corporations want, that is what will happen.

 

[Julia]

He seems a bit brighter than Senator Bob Brown, who is reported to be facing bankruptcy as he has been unable (or unwilling?) to pay a $240K legal bill over a "save a forest" action he took to court.

Begs the questions:

After all this time as a well paid senator, he can't find $240K? Remortage house? Borrow against assets? Have a Greens supporters whip around (then again, what can you really do with 100Kg of organic mushrooms?)

Surely any business person who commenced legal action, well aware he couldn't pay the legal fees if he lost, would be banned from senior business positions for many years.

And this guy wants to tell the rest of Australia how to live!

Oh well, I guess, it is one way of getting even more publicity on ABC radio and TV - lucky they don't charge him for advertising and office space. (Watch for the "Green Army" on morning ABC radio a couple of months before the next election)

Cheers, badger

Badger, I'm glad you brought this up (apologies for diverting the thread away from Senator Fielding). I couldn't believe this either. And wouldn't you know?
Within half a day of going to the media with his "poor me" story, he was given what he needed via donations! And even Dick Smith promised to 'back him' if necessary. Some damn example Senator Brown sets. Completely irresponsible. Yet his loyal greenie supporters will be saying to themselves that it's the greedy system taking unfair advantage of their hero.

Me thinks thats more of a motivating factor than anything else.

It's always about the money which ties into greed and fear. Who will win from having this deal go through and who will lose. There are stakeholders all over the place.

Governments collecting the tax will win. There will be a token gesture from the tax collected towards the electorate in the lower income groups as supposed compensation for the increased cost of living, but it will be a one off and will be wholly inadequate.

If I was a betting man, and I am, I would bet that whatever the biggest and richest corporations want, that is what will happen.

I'm not so sure about that. The government seems determined to go ahead with this ill thought out scheme, despite the massive opposition from pretty much all sides (for different reasons).
Listening to the bloke from the Mining Council this morning, there will be many thousands of jobs lost from the mining industry, much reduced profits from the mining companies, and they are very unhappy about it indeed.
And that's just the most obvious industry to be affected by an ETS.

All so the Ruddmeister can strut his stuff on the world stage boasting that Australia is leading the way. Again, it's much more about him and his future political career than any genuine desire to change the atmosphere.

 

[Soft Dough]

He seems a bit brighter than Senator Bob Brown, who is reported to be facing bankruptcy as he has been unable (or unwilling?) to pay a $240K legal bill over a "save a forest" action he took to court.

Begs the questions:

After all this time as a well paid senator, he can't find $240K? Remortage house? Borrow against assets? Have a Greens supporters whip around (then again, what can you really do with 100Kg of organic mushrooms?)

Well I guess that the assets are in his wife's name, or in super.

Not as stupid as he may seem, a true capitalist at heart.

 

[centex]

Well I guess that the assets are in his wife's name, or in super.

Not as stupid as he may seem, a true capitalist at heart.

I thought he was gay....??