solid close today of 20 c - up 11% and closing near day's high
with larger investors taking an increased stake and new fund managers coming on board - INL is positioned well for further gains
also the zinc spot price rising dramatically wouldn't have hurt either!!!
Thats incorrect wintermute.
Read the intec process on their site, from electro winning it still does require smelting you cant form a zinc ingot from electrolysis.
The main advantage to the intec process is the elimination of the roasting stage thats where the power saving is.
The zinc concentrate that intec send out is going to go to a place where they electro winning it and then smelt it to.
They have probably done away with stage 3 of their process (electro winning and smelting) because it is more economic to do it at already established sites.
Looks good to me .
Typical INL no hype just the facts.
Top 20 shareholders still there,and accumulating.
Basic earnings,projected at 20 mil,and thats before any of their existing projects in the pipeline,that should cover all costs.
Doesn't that put them on a PE of 5.
INL must hold 19+ tomorrow,or holders will be in for the long wait!
Good luck to all.
your analysis is flawed as it does not take into account the ramping up from 1.5Mtpa to 2 MTPA at little or no additional cost - also the tailings resource is worth over $3 billion in situ value - a company is valued on its projected earnings growth from the expansion of its business - INL has massive growth potential - compared to stocks like: SMM - a market cap over 1 billion and won't see cash flow for many years - let's not be myopic regarding INL and take into account the greater overall picture
a company is valued on its projected earnings growth from the expansion of its business
mate, I'd read todays announcements re expected ebitda's.
I'd rather rely on mment recent forecasts.
Going through the lastest annt I hadn't fully realised how diversified the Hellyer tailings dam is... only 40% of the resource value is held in Zn- with the rest spllit between Lead, Silver and Gold. But the company seems primarily concerned with the Zn side of things (comparing their SP charts to LME Zinc etc). Any reason for this?
Juiceman,
I read both quarterly announcements and couldn't see any reference to earnings of $20m. They did receive payments of $2.36m and $2.0m for their share of the two shipments to date. Backing out their profits from share sales as chops suggests gives EBITDA of $1.2m or $0.6m per shipment. Again using chops numbers of $2m EBITDA per quarter that's $8m EBITDA for FY08. 1H07 depreciation charges were $1.15m. Lets assume $2m for a full year. Pre-tax profit of $6m, probably won't be paying taxes for a while because of prior losses so NPAT of $6m.
Assuming $6m NPAT for FY08 and paying no dividends, I use a 15% discount rate. A 20% return on equity (based on $6m NPAT / Avg Equity of around $31m) giving fair value of around $0.12.
If we take your assumption of 2MTPA which is an increase of one third and I therefore increase NPAT by one third we get NPAT of $8m for FY08 and a ROE of 26%. Applying a discount rate of 15% gives a value of $0.21.
I think your conservative analysis in you posts is quite acceptable, so if you value the share at 21c would you not agree that there is not too much downside, and plenty of scope for upside,
eg EAFD, Zeehan Slags, IHRP with high probability of success.
I also would definitely include in any INL valuation that in a few years INL will own 100% the HZCP project, doubling the revenue!
Personally I think the zinc price is much more likely to go higher rather then lower, but to be fair, would agree with you and value at spot.
And finally the aspect that would add great value to the company is licensing the tech, but I would probably not ascribe any value at this point in time, like the market is not.
RE. my earlier post 30 April 20mil PE of 5
Look at INL's pres 3/5/07
Apart from many other things: consider:
EAFD BENEFICATION
INL's suppliers dump 20-25000 tpa
Pay INL $100+$100 to transport it to Burny = $5,000,000
INL processes the dust,containing 30-40% zinc
20,000 tn @ 40% zinc =8,000 tn zinc ingots
8,000 tn zinc @$4000 pt = $32,000,000 (not bad for rubbish)
The world produces: 3-5mtpa of this environmentally unfriendly rubbish,
INL has proven that they can process it (thinking)
People pay them to take it away.
I will be happy to be corrected
PS I read somewhere on the nett that Ivanhoe Mines was paddling their own canoe in China promoting their INTEC method re zinc? This was some month"s ago,but can"t find it now. Has anyone else seen that? (not happy)
I think your conservative analysis in you posts is quite acceptable, so if you value the share at 21c would you not agree that there is not too much downside, and plenty of scope for upside,
eg EAFD, Zeehan Slags, IHRP with high probability of success.
I also would definitely include in any INL valuation that in a few years INL will own 100% the HZCP project, doubling the revenue!
Personally I think the zinc price is much more likely to go higher rather then lower, but to be fair, would agree with you and value at spot.
And finally the aspect that would add great value to the company is licensing the tech, but I would probably not ascribe any value at this point in time, like the market is not.
Few things... First the use of the burnie demo plant... if I'm not mistaken, Intec have called this semi commercial for a reason, I believe that it will not break even price wise so don't count on it contributing to cash flow, I think it will be a sink rather than a source. I'm pretty sure they have stated that it will cost more to run than it generates, this is because it is too small, and that means inefficiencies, this was done of course to prove the process (with as low a risk, and as low a capital outlay as possible) and was never originally intended to go into commercial operation, I believe they will use it to "tweak" things so that they can make better use of the fully commercial plant.
Second, I gave up ages ago trying to work out potential cash flows from Intec's operations... too many details have not been supplied and trying to reconcile EBITDA amounts in presentations with estimates from what has been released proved completely frustrating to me. I decided to simply wait and see full year reports... it is ok to do estimates if you know all of the relevant info, but we don't so I think it is a fruitless exercise.
Finally I'll post my latest Intec graph. Kennas is concerned about breaking through 20c... I'm not, because of this graph... maybe I'm wrong, but I think on the longer term INL is still in an uptrend channel and has just bounced off the bottom trend line... I don't think it will be more than a month or two before it is above, and stays above 20c.
I may be a bit unconventional in my charting at times, but rules are meant to be bent or broken.. unorthodox methods have worked for me in the past (in many areas other than charting) I've often been told that won't work, but the proof is in the pudding as they saywe shall see
If you take into consideration the latest gem of info released, that MBL has 8.7% of intec on a fully diluted basis, something I have mentioned was coming (possibly only at HC) based on announcements last year about the loan facility and the issue of options to MBL if the facility was used past (I think march this year) and the fact that Macquaries options are well in the money, It may not be too long before we see a new substantial holder on the books.
I was speculating elsewhere recently that the price may remain low for a while, a cap-raising may happen (or the issue of more options) and then Macquarie would play their ace and surprise the market with a substantial holding notice however it seems the cat is out of the bag now. I've seen what an initial substantial holder notice from MBL can do to a penny stocks share price, and I'm looking forward to the same thing happening for INL... that's not to say it will happen, but I think the chances are that the substantial holding notice will come, and when it does the sp will rise.
Tony.
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