Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

suehprom1 · 7 January 2009

Pilots, If you mean I sound more like a Corby with each post because I'm a supporter of this woman, whose rights to a fair trial were violated then I suppose you are correct. I have only recently been made aware of Schapelle's experience with injustice, and frankly find it alarming that so many have marched lockstep behind the pied piper of ignorance and media manipulation. I wasn't equating the cost of the marijuana when I asked why tests weren't performed. I was thinking more in line with origin of the marijuana, which is determinable. You make it sound as if the Indonesian henchmen suddenly found a streak of compassion to not reveal the drugs were Queensland birthed. Hence, saving Schapelle from the death penalty. Every other aspect of the show trial goes against this current of this thinking.

pilots · 7 January 2009

suehprom1 said:
Pilots, If you mean I sound more like a Corby with each post because I'm a supporter of this woman, whose rights to a fair trial were violated then I suppose you are correct. I have only recently been made aware of Schapelle's experience with injustice, and frankly find it alarming that so many have marched lockstep behind the pied piper of ignorance and media manipulation. I wasn't equating the cost of the marijuana when I asked why tests weren't performed. I was thinking more in line with origin of the marijuana, which is determinable. You make it sound as if the Indonesian henchmen suddenly found a streak of compassion to not reveal the drugs were Queensland birthed. Hence, saving Schapelle from the death penalty. Every other aspect of the show trial goes against this current of this thinking.

Sue they had a sample, but the sister of the Mule would not let the test go ahead.

Garpal Gumnut · 7 January 2009

suehprom1 said:
Pilots, If you mean I sound more like a Corby with each post because I'm a supporter of this woman, whose rights to a fair trial were violated then I suppose you are correct. I have only recently been made aware of Schapelle's experience with injustice, and frankly find it alarming that so many have marched lockstep behind the pied piper of ignorance and media manipulation. I wasn't equating the cost of the marijuana when I asked why tests weren't performed. I was thinking more in line with origin of the marijuana, which is determinable. You make it sound as if the Indonesian henchmen suddenly found a streak of compassion to not reveal the drugs were Queensland birthed. Hence, saving Schapelle from the death penalty. Every other aspect of the show trial goes against this current of this thinking.

Sue can you be careful about what you say about the Indonesians.

My contacts in Jakarta are getting quite upset about this thread. They are a proud people and do not want to lose face.

Please desist lest you imperil Ms.Corby's future remissions.

gg

IFocus · 7 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sue can you be careful about what you say about the Indonesians.

My contacts in Jakarta are getting quite upset about this thread. They are a proud people and do not want to lose face.

Please desist lest you imperil Ms.Corby's future remissions.

gg

Actually for all the Corby supporters this is a good point the more you rant about how nasty the Indos are the more you harm Corby.

It's time to get off your high moral principled horses and deal with reality and start thinking on realistic measures to help Corby if that's your aim.

Flaming the Indos is naive at best

explod · 7 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sue can you be careful about what you say about the Indonesians.

My contacts in Jakarta are getting quite upset about this thread. They are a proud people and do not want to lose face.

Please desist lest you imperil Ms.Corby's future remissions.

gg

I cannot believe what you are suggesting here. What is said by other people should not effect Ms Corby. If this is the case then it only serves to further indicate how corrupt their system is in the eyes of the rest of the world. Such indications are turning people off in droves from ever going near the place.

If Indonesia want to rectify the problems they have, one would suggest that they have a commission set up comprising of at least five retired senior judges from each of England, Australia, France the US and New Zealand to set up a total appraoch of law such as the Westminster System. In Australia for many years our entire legal system was run by the English and our young people back then would go to England for their education in such fields. Many new countries, such as Indonesia, have not had the benefit of such bedding in. Much of the third world was been plundered (lumber etc) by the developed world and they have unfortunately had to gain cotrol again at the point of a gun. What used to hold such societies together was the villiage setting controlled by the elders. Western societies destroyed that and have created problems that will take generations (if ever) to sort out.

A good start would be a Commission (to include Judges from Australia) with Royal assent to enquire further into the Corby case. Findings of doubt leading to exoneration and pardon would only go to the credit of the Indonesian people.

varekai · 7 January 2009

pilots said:
Sue they had a sample, but the sister of the Mule would not let the test go ahead.

Wrong again!! On the 3rd December 2004, Schapelle signed the documents in the presence of the Australian Consul General to Bali, Brent Hall and a consular assistant authorising testing to be carried out to determine their origin and composition.

On the 7th January 2005, the AFP received notice from the Bali police [Kapolda] that they will not release the drugs for testing!

I have a copy of the official Bali consulate file notes stating the above and signed by the then Vice Consul, Brian Diamond.
Once again, it's obvious that you believe what the media have fed.

So pilots, who was it that refused the testing????????

Garpal Gumnut · 7 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sue can you be careful about what you say about the Indonesians.

My contacts in Jakarta are getting quite upset about this thread. They are a proud people and do not want to lose face.

Please desist lest you imperil Ms.Corby's future remissions.

gg

IFocus said:
Actually for all the Corby supporters this is a good point the more you rant about how nasty the Indos are the more you harm Corby.

It's time to get off your high moral principled horses and deal with reality and start thinking on realistic measures to help Corby if that's your aim.

Flaming the Indos is naive at best

This is excellent advice IFocus. The question her supporters have to ask themselves is do they want to make things easier for her or do they just want to irritate a proud nation who will then by declining remissions in turn punish her.

explod said:
I cannot believe what you are suggesting here. What is said by other people should not effect Ms Corby. If this is the case then it only serves to further indicate how corrupt their system is in the eyes of the rest of the world. Such indications are turning people off in droves from ever going near the place.

If Indonesia want to rectify the problems they have, one would suggest that they have a commission set up comprising of at least five retired senior judges from each of England, Australia, France the US and New Zealand to set up a total appraoch of law such as the Westminster System. In Australia for many years our entire legal system was run by the English and our young people back then would go to England for their education in such fields. Many new countries, such as Indonesia, have not had the benefit of such bedding in. Much of the third world was been plundered (lumber etc) by the developed world and they have unfortunately had to gain cotrol again at the point of a gun. What used to hold such societies together was the villiage setting controlled by the elders. Western societies destroyed that and have created problems that will take generations (if ever) to sort out.

A good start would be a Commission (to include Judges from Australia) with Royal assent to enquire further into the Corby case. Findings of doubt leading to exoneration and pardon would only go to the credit of the Indonesian people.

This I feel is outrageous advice to offer a near neighbour which suffered under Dutch and Japanese colonial aggression.

Indonesia is a sovereign nation and certainly does not need advice from British or Australian judges, particularly in relation to the Corby case which as far as they are concerned is over and done, finished, finito.

gg

pilots · 7 January 2009

varekai said:
Wrong again!! On the 3rd December 2004, Schapelle signed the documents in the presence of the Australian Consul General to Bali, Brent Hall and a consular assistant authorising testing to be carried out to determine their origin and composition.

On the 7th January 2005, the AFP received notice from the Bali police [Kapolda] that they will not release the drugs for testing!

I have a copy of the official Bali consulate file notes stating the above and signed by the then Vice Consul, Brian Diamond.
Once again, it's obvious that you believe what the media have fed.

So pilots, who was it that refused the testing????????

Dam, you know less about the case than I thought you did, her lawyer got a sample, and the sister of the Mule did not want it tested.

varekai · 7 January 2009

pilots said:
Dam, you know less about the case than I thought you did, her lawyer got a sample, and the sister of the Mule did not want it tested.

And Wrong again Pilots!! It was the so called case co ordinator, Vasu Rasiah, [who by the way IS NOT A LAWYER] that "acquired" the "alleged" sample and was rightfully refused by Mercedes to bring to Australia for testing, UNLESS HE HAD THE COURTS KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL!! HE DIDN'T!!!

nulla nulla · 7 January 2009

varekai said:
And Wrong again Pilots!! It was the so called case co ordinator, Vasu Rasiah, [who by the way IS NOT A LAWYER] that "acquired" the "alleged" sample and was rightfully refused by Mercedes to bring to Australia for testing, UNLESS HE HAD THE COURTS KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL!! HE DIDN'T!!!

If he had brought the sample of the alleged marijuana into Australia, would that make him liable to prosecution in Australia as a drug trafficker? Is it possible this is why it didn't go ahead?

varekai · 7 January 2009

nulla nulla said:
If he had brought the sample of the alleged marijuana into Australia, would that make him liable to prosecution in Australia as a drug trafficker? Is it possible this is why it didn't go ahead?

No, not if he had the consent of the Bali court and papers of authorisation from the court requesting the tests...but this would have to have been done by pre arrangement with the Australian authorities.. so as customs here in Australia could give it the "all clear" to pass through with the stuff... and only and solely FOR THE PURPOSES AS INDICATED IN THE COURT REQUESTS

slim pickins · 7 January 2009

Agentm said:
i think your shooting for too high a sample here, lets make it a bit tougher..

why not add that they have to be able to spell innocent and university?

No let's not I think there is a very valid point here. I bet you I'm right. Let's see a show of hands from corby supporters.

I know that any rational person wih a good education who thinks she is innocent would be very hard to come by.

Prove me wrong

varekai · 7 January 2009

slim pickins said:
No let's not I think there is a very valid point here. I bet you I'm right. Let's see a show of hands from corby supporters.

I know that any rational person wih a good education who thinks she is innocent would be very hard to come by.

Prove me wrong

If you will include supporters from Canada, USA, Great Britain, New Zealand etc, who haven't been conned... and haven't swallowed the Oz media lies, then you will have 90% for Schapelle!

Calliope · 7 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
This I feel is outrageous advice to offer a near neighbour which suffered under Dutch and Japanese colonial aggression.

Indonesia is a sovereign nation and certainly does not need advice from British or Australian judges, particularly in relation to the Corby case which as far as they are concerned is over and done, finished, finito.
gg

Maybe we should send a former high ranking former Melbourne ex-copper to Indonesia to train their police force, along with his bunch of ex-judges to reform their laws.

What patronising rubbish

nunthewiser · 7 January 2009

Calliope said:
Maybe we should send a former high ranking former Melbourne ex-copper to Indonesia to train their police force, along with his bunch of ex-judges to reform their laws.

What patronising rubbish

LOL i reckon good old "roger the dodger" would work wonders

nunthewiser · 7 January 2009

hell ...........might as well send good old chop chop and jacko over too and make a roadshow

pilots · 7 January 2009

varekai said:
If you will include supporters from Canada, USA, Great Britain, New Zealand etc, who haven't been conned... and haven't swallowed the Oz media lies, then you will have 90% for Schapelle!

Mate, if you was to fly all your supporters from around the world to Bali you would only need a ten seater plane, hang on, that would depend how many would bring a boogie board.
Now you say they did acquire a sample, why not go to the courts, tell them you have a sample, and want to send it to Australia.
Don't give me this he would be done for drugs, just give it to any or your news teams who was paying the Corby's a lot of money, they would have gladly taken it to Australia for you , that would be the news of the year. BUT NO, THE MULE SISTER SAID NO, she new what country the drugs come from.
5840 sleeps to go.

ZackW · 7 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
Sue can you be careful about what you say about the Indonesians.

My contacts in Jakarta are getting quite upset about this thread. They are a proud people and do not want to lose face.

Please desist lest you imperil Ms.Corby's future remissions.

Here we go again - more implicit THREATS to hurt Schapelle to try to silence us. Absolutely vile.

I will say what I want to about that foul corrupt uncivilized regime. I am not connected with Schapelle Corby in any way. This forum is Australian. And you can also re-run your implicit threats to me too, for your foul buddies.

Through this messenger boy, they are trying to censor this forum. And you people think this is ok? What the hell is wrong with you?

You want to align yourselves with a stinking regime like that, and their messenger boy? It is SICK.

varekai said:
If you will include supporters from Canada, USA, Great Britain, New Zealand etc, who haven't been conned... and haven't swallowed the Oz media lies, then you will have 90% for Schapelle!

Absolutely. And let's not forget how those 90% view the twisted posters on here who reproduce those lies and smears.

The world can see the facts of the show trial, and the grotesque human rights abuses. The world can see the barbaric racist/political sentence. The world can see the way in which less intellectually capable of the Australian public have been brainwashed:

The Indonesians, the corrupt media/politicians in Oz, and their twisted supporters, should realize that the world is now awakening. The gross abuse of Schapelle Corby's human rights, the consequential selling of every Australians human rights to buy favour from a foul regime, and the brainwashing of a population by smear, is out in the open.

And the continued threats from that regime to try to silence the world simply remind everyone of the nature of those we are dealing with (and that clearly includes some of the posters on her).

Calliope · 7 January 2009

Its called paranoia Zack. You need professional help.

pilots · 7 January 2009

ZackW said:
Here we go again - more implicit THREATS to hurt Schapelle to try to silence us. Absolutely vile.

I will say what I want to about that foul corrupt uncivilized regime. I am not connected with Schapelle Corby in any way. This forum is Australian. And you can also re-run your implicit threats to me too, for your foul buddies.

Through this messenger boy, they are trying to censor this forum. And you people think this is ok? What the hell is wrong with you?

You want to align yourselves with a stinking regime like that, and their messenger boy? It is SICK.

Absolutely. And let's not forget how those 90% view the twisted posters on here who reproduce those lies and smears.

The world can see the facts of the show trial, and the grotesque human rights abuses. The world can see the barbaric racist/political sentence. The world can see the way in which less intellectually capable of the Australian public have been brainwashed:

The Indonesians, the corrupt media/politicians in Oz, and their twisted supporters, should realize that the world is now awakening. The gross abuse of Schapelle Corby's human rights, the consequential selling of every Australians human rights to buy favour from a foul regime, and the brainwashing of a population by smear, is out in the open.

And the continued threats from that regime to try to silence the world simply remind everyone of the nature of those we are dealing with (and that clearly includes some of the posters on her).

Zacko, the man with the video with seven facts, six of them WRONG, yes WACKO ZACKO you would have to be a supporter of the drug mule.
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