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Sarah Palin: The Barracuda

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GG, have you considered that Ms Palin has only received so much media criticism because she herself has provided the material for the criticism?

You value coherence and the capacity to express ideas in an articulate way.
Why do you think she has done so few interviews? Because in those she has done, i.e. with Katie Couric, she has mostly offered rambling incoherence with a failure to answer questions, even when those questions have been repeated several times.

Her performance today, as with her initial speech to the Convention, was pre-prepared and rehearsed. Like an actress delivering the lines she has learned.
Surely you must have observed how often she referred to her notes. Only when she was reverting to her now classic "down home cornpone hockey mom pitbull with lipstick" stuff did she speak to the camera without reference to her notes.

Cheryl Kernot, by the way, has every reason to dislike the media. It exposed her hypocrisy and shallow motives. Ultimately revealed her for the fool that she was.
 
Fact Checker on the debate by Washington Post journalists:

1. Military
Sarah Palin asserted that Biden backed McCain's military policies until this presidential race.

That is flatly false. Biden was an outspoken opponent of President Bush's troop increases in Iraq as soon as Bush announced them after the 2006 elections.

As Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, he led the most heated hearings before the troops were actually deployed.
--Jonathan Weisman

2. Test Ban Treaty
Biden asserted that McCain opposed the comprehensive nuclear test ban and that virtually every other Republican supported it.

That is false. President Clinton never submitted the test ban for formal ratification because it faced overwhelming Republican opposition in a GOP-controlled Senate.
--Jonathan Weisman

Maybe McCain was one of those opposing it ???

3. Iraq
Sarah Palin oversimplified Obama's vote to stop funding U.S. troops in Iraq. She was referring to a Senate vote on May 24, 2007, on appropriations bill funding operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama was one of 14 senators who voted against the bill on the grounds that it did not set a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Obama made clear that he was in favor of funding the troops, but could not agree to an indefinite extension of the war.

The previous month, most Senate Republicans voted against a Democratic bill (supported by Obama) that linked funding of the troops to the establishment of a timeline for withdrawal. McCain missed that vote.
--Michael Dobbs

4. Iraq
Palin repeated a standard line offered by the McCain campaign--that Obama has not admitted the "surge" of additional troops in Iraq worked.

But in a September interview with Bill O'Reilly of Fox News, Obama said "the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated. . . I've already said it's succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

Obama has not, however, retracted his opposition to the surge, and he has said political reconciliation still needs to take place in Iraq.
--Michael Abramowitz

5. Oil
Palin suggested that the nearly $700 billion the U.S. spends a year on imported oil could be replaced by domestic sources.

CNNMoney.com took estimates from various government agencies to conclude that crude oil production could be increased at most between 1 and 3 million barrels per year, on top of the 5 million barrels a day already produced domestically.

The United States currently consumes about 20 million barrels a day, so an expansion of domestic drilling would make barely a dent in that amount unless consumption also is reduced.
--Glenn Kessler

6. Iraq
Palin was erroneous when she claimed U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now at "pre-surge" levels. When President Bush announced last month that he would withdraw an additional 8,000 U.S. troops over the coming months, he committed to leaving at least 138,000 troops in the country at the end of his presidency, 3,000 more than there were before the troop increases known now as "the surge."
--Jonathan Weisman

7. Taxes
Palin said a tax hike that hits earners over $250,000 would hit "millions of small businesses."

That is untrue. The vast majority of small businesses barely break even and do not pay the top tax brackets.

To get that figure, Republicans count affluent taxpayers who claim some income from some small business income as "small businessmen."
--Jonathan Weisman

8. Taxes
Palin repeated McCain's claim that Obama voted to increase taxes for every American earning more than $42,000 a year.

This is a considerable stretch. Obama voted for a non-binding budget resolution that laid down general budgetary guidelines based on the assumption that the Bush tax cuts will expire, as scheduled, in 2011.

The budget resolution did not represent a vote to raise taxes. Obama has said that he is in favor of continuing the Bush tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans.
--Michael Dobbs

One false claim for Biden - 7 False claims for Palin
But... Biden said McCain opposed it -- not that he voted against it (#2)
- so maybe it was NOT false?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/
 

Good points Julia, and I accept your valid criticisms.

However as a student of history you would see the comparisons between the US at present and ancient Rome.

I see Palin in a Claudius role, bringing sense and coherence to a nation which has deviated from its core values.

I have always found that the hardest thing about a job, is getting it.

Claudius was mocked, and considered a fool, but he hung in and triumphed and led Rome well.

I see Obama and Biden as creatures of a decadent US, Hollywood obsessed and driven by a perception that spin will win.

The US needs a clean sweep, from a man who has suffered , McCain, and an able though yet to be proven possible successor as President in Palin.

Were Claudius put on Youtube the jennets who pass as commentators would fall over their silly cerebrums and mock him for being inarticulate rather than looking at his life experience, history and essence.

They (McCain and Palin) will change the US for the better, more than the present Democrats ever will, should they be elected.

gg
 
That's apparent from your posts.

Obama will win the election by a huge margin unless some catastrophic event stops him dead in his tracks - literally!

As it's the US that counts, US polls gave the debate to Biden by a very large margin - some as much as 20 points.

As a student of more recent history, JFK was a man in and for his time. At that time the US was not really in need of a "saviour", although the Cold War and a rush to nuclear arms gave rise to a very different fear than exists today.

Today the US needs a number of things.
First, a leader that can inspire by aspiring to put the nation on a new footing internationally.
Secondly, a regime in Washington that cleanses, albeit symbolically, the nation of its financial woes.
Finally, and most importantly, they need in their President the many qualities that Obama neatly packages and is primed to deliver. In other words, they really need a candidate that oozes presidentiality.

McCain doesn't cut it and Palin's gloss will only ever be good to reflect on.
 
Green08 said:
I didn't like her 'folksy' 'darn, 'heck', 'doggone' words - not the words of a dignified VP whom I could respect, I'm sure other world leaders thought the same.
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Maybe she doesn't like your twangy Australian accent either....
 

Who decides what oozes presidentiality?? the media?? or the people.

Your description of what the US needs describes Rome before Claudius got in.

Obama is a creature of spin, neatly packaged, and primed. It will be a social picnic.

America needs direction.

gg
 
Green08 said:
I didn't like her 'folksy' 'darn, 'heck', 'doggone' words - not the words of a dignified VP whom I could respect, I'm sure other world leaders thought the same.
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Excellent!!!! artyman:We have a celebrity ASF member lurking in our midst. Which world leader are you Green08? Give us a clue?

Hang on a sec - "Green08" ........you're not Helen Clark are you? If you turn the lights off, walk to the other side of the room, then turn around and face the wall, your avatar appears similar to a youthful Helen.

Duckman

PS Bush has been saying similar hokey stuff for years and he's the actual President!!!
 
websman said:
Maybe she doesn't like your twangy Australian accent either....
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Could you justify this? Lack of research and experience methinks!

Green08 is a cultured woman. Not a yobbo!

btw... a yobbo is like your redneck hick - a decibel and a cousin away from Palin.

Palin's eyes are a great asset to her but her vocabulary and acoustics are that of a six year old on a new bike.

Californians speak without a twang... wonderful accent! Wonderful people!
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
America needs direction.
gg
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Yes.
Eight years on and they have learned nothing.
The Republicans have no "direction".
They have no vision.
There is nothing in the Republican camp that can dig them from their mire.

As for who determines "presidentiality", the writing is very much on the wall of public opinion that is reinforced by the media.

Some things are self-evident. Evidently not universally.
 
Garpal your blind acceptance of anything the republicans have to offer is nauseating and does nothing for your credibility as an independant thnker (not that you had any).

I've had more exciting conversations on street corners with evangelists - you appear incapable of objective thought. But don't worry - you haven't been brainwashed - you're just smarter than everybody else
 
By the way Garpal - Obama is no "creature" - in fact he may be a far better human than you'll ever be. (to take analogies and spin a little further .
 
websman said:
Maybe she doesn't like your twangy Australian accent either....
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I'm not sure how you would know what sort of accent Green has.
The point is that Green is not standing for one of the most important public positions in the world.

Personally I find Ms Palin's voice and accent perfectly pleasant. It's the content of what she says that bothers me.
 

Doris, you do realize that this is why middle America (fly over country) love Palin so much. The snobbery of the left. They leftists really do believe they are the smartest people. People like Sarah Palin are the backbone of this country. The left will never "get" this.

The snap polls after the debates always skew to the left, but the real polls will shift the other way. Always happens. In about 3 days, check Rasmussen and Gallup to see who was helped by this debate. The chatter in middle America (the real America) is all Palin. She connects with the working and middle class.

By the way, if Joe Biden is such great stuff, where is the Joe Biden thread? And here we are with 19 pages of Sarah Palin. A better per day rate than the Barack Obama page BY FAR.
 

Just making a point...Aussies accents are very cool. Yes, Sarah Palin has an accent, but it has nothing to do with her ability to lead our country. If the rest of the world doesn't like the way she talks, tough for them.
 
Doris said:
Green08 is a cultured woman. Not a yobbo!
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How do you know? Did she tell you this? I found no evidence of this in her posts.

Or did you assume that because she thinks like you she must be cultured?
 
Doris said:
Californians speak without a twang... wonderful accent! Wonderful people!
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you mean like Arnie 'Governator' Shorts-and-eggburger

PS he's 100% behind action on climate change - you're right , it is a wonderful accent

PS As for Green - she makes sense to me - so I'm guessing she has a great accent as well
 
Palin got away with murder in that debate - it was pretty obvious that the rules were modified to take account of her newcomer status.

paraphrasing...

"I probably won't answer the way the moderator wants me to, but heck, gee whiz, that's me " etc

"I know you've asked me about mortgage repayments, but I'm gonna talk about my specialty, and that's energy, ok... "

The moderator was so flaming tolerant.

Speaking of which, I reckon Palin claiming to be "tolerant" would be an interesting one to check with a few people in Alaska - like the Chief of Police type dude she sacked etc.

- oh that's right, she's managed to get the results of that little enquiry / matter deferred until after Nov 4
 
Calliope said:
I felt sorry for Biden. He is a decent man. Being an old fogy myself, I am sure I would go to water if stacked up against an attractive, articulate young mother.
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Interesting to see where your weak points are and your self description.

Biden is not an "old fogy", yes he is ageing gracefully as we all will.

I did not admonish her accent. Though her words of choice do not come across as professional in the appointment she is seeking
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