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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25482240-29277,00.html

So far everyone is just speculating what has happened. Probably better to let the story play out. Does not change the fact players cheated on wives. Or that an almost all male gang bang is a little Mo in my thinking
 
You seem to have mis-read my post. Can't you see I have recanted? This girl obviously seduced the guys.
Rubbish. Your post was perfectly clearly sarcastic. Could I again ask you the question? Do you find it incomprehensible that any woman might be attracted to the idea of group sex and be prepared to engage therein if the opportunity presented itself?



Duckman, you are one of my very favourite people, but with respect, your original condemnation of Wabbitt's quite objective post indicated that your own view was very black and white, i.e. white re the girl and very, very black re the blokes. My apologies if I have misunderstood you. I know you to usually be very fair minded.



In other words she wants revenge.


You guys who say the girls are asking for it by getting drunk and wearing sexy clothes.
Did they? I must have missed that.

Ask yourself this:

If a girl is drunk and is with two guys and agrees to have sex but with one of them, not the other, but the two guys secretly tag each other, and she has sex unkowingly with both, is that rape?
She went with both of them to the hotel room, Prospector. Would you do that if you were intending to have sex with just one of them? What did she imagine the other one was going to do?

I'm feeling disloyal to the sisterhood by not agreeing with all you say, Prospector, especially as I know you well and can't think of any other area where we disagree. And I don't necessarily disagree. I just feel that none of us actually knows what happened and we can't be sure the girl was a victim here.







for instance...you still dont know who australia is borrowing all this money from, do you....!





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Metric, I have posted an answer to your above question in the Budget highlights thread courtesy Money Morning.
 
Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.
 
wonders if it was the ladies team mauling some young man if there would be the same reaction
Yes, indeed. Or what reaction would everyone have had if the footy team had decided to have it off with a homosexual male? Would he also have automatically been a victim, or could he have been a willing participant?
Would such an event have provoked the same level of outrage that a tearful young woman has done?

no. just like female teachers get off for molesting boys...


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Not true at all. Several teachers have been charged for just such offences.

Ah, but who is to know what their relationship consists of? They may have a so called 'open marriage', not as uncommon as you may imagine.

Earlier in the thread when I indicated some sympathy for Mrs Johns, Calliope quickly informed me she would have been well aware of what she was marrying. He may well be right. I don't know. None of us know.

But for sure, it's just horrible for his children.

When you say what he has done is morally wrong, do you mean in terms of his being married, or in terms of his having had group sex?

If the latter, then I'd say that none of us have the right to be the moral guardians of anyone else unless it's to prevent harm being done to someone who is unable to look out for themselves, e.g. in child sexual abuse.

This whole silly affair has taken on a life of its own to the most extraordinary degree. On a superficial level, I'd say "well, who cares what some footballer did, and likewise who cares if a woman who protests that she had a boyfriend chose to engage in an encounter with men other than said boyfriend."

But what interests me is the cultural argument which is happening in this thread, i.e. the assumption by some posters that this woman is absolutely an innocent victim, and had no responsibility in the whole matter, versus those who consider she must have been a trollope who asked for whatever she got.

I don't know which it is, don't much care, think it's probably somewhere in between these two alternatives, but I do have concerns about the obvious double standard which seems to be applying here. i.e. an assumption that only men can be sexual predators. It just ain't so.



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I missed this one but what a beauty!!! The woman went to the hotel room of her own accord! That's the first fact! Secondly, are you suggesting that women are so weak that they can't make their own decisions in the presence of men! Hello! I think you have been reading too much Jane Austin:

Darcy Darcy..I swoon in your presence!
 
Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.

great comment!
 
Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.

It's entirely likely that they do that as a warm up act.
 
my good lady, the psychologist, reckons its all too homo-erotic.

I tell her she is maliciously overlooking the role of the female in the group sex scenario
 
Could I again ask you the question? Do you find it incomprehensible that any woman might be attracted to the idea of group sex and be prepared to engage therein if the opportunity presented itself.

I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.
 
I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.

Where the hell have you been hiding
 
I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.
You really are naive Calliope.
To educate you, here's a report on the "dating" culture of todays young women.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808

"Dating culture is dead - instead, young New Zealand women are regularly getting drunk and cruising around in packs looking for men to have sex with.

That's one of the findings of a TVNZ Sunday investigation into the sexual behaviour of New Zealand women. The programme makers did the story after Kiwi women last year topped the Durex Sexual Wellbeing Global Survey as the world's most promiscuous."

By the way, have you ever seen the show Ladettes to Ladies?
 

Woot better head back home to NZ. Oh wait the wife and kids.
Hmmm what would Matty John's do in this situation....

The Sunday Star-Times' Being a Bloke survey last year found that 29% of the 5000 men surveyed felt they had been pressured into having sex or had had sex unwillingly.

There's a sheep joke in there somewhere
 
Really if people want to engage in multiple partners it should not be frowned upon. If it’s what they like, then good for them (not related to the current thread btw). If they are sexual comfortable with themselves then women should not be made to feel like tarts when men in the same situation are hailed as studs. It is often the case women are made to feel like trash which then brings up regret. Usually by men with little self esteem and harboring their own fears. Sexually confident women are a plus in my opinion.
However too much alcohol and consent in my mind is still a no no. Too many bad decisions are made with alcohol.

In this situation the footballers were in the wrong even with consent.
 
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159

"...people concerned about the rights of innocent men accused of rape need to be aware of any study regarding the prevalence of false rape claims. Of note this week is a new five-year study in India that shows almost one-in-five rape claims is false:

…in 18.3 % cases to be precise, rape is used as a weapon to malign and attempt revenge, found a group of psychologists who assist Delhi Police in investigating sexual assault allegations.

The conclusion was drawn from 113 cases in the last five years. Anger towards the accused prompted allegations of rape in 25% of the false charges. An equal number of such cases were filed at the behest of family members. Every fifth false allegation was made by a minor `coached' to cry `rape' as an attempt to settle family scores. About 15% were situations of panic after clear consent, while the remaining 15% defied categorisation."
 
"..Woman at centre of Matthew Johns sex scandal bragged about exploit..." co-worker

Tania Boyd has told the Nine Network that the woman in the ABC's Four Corners report, identified as "Clare'', had boasted to her workmates about bedding several players and only contacted police five days after the alleged incident.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25477148-421,00.html

so the 'poor girl' really was a bimbo ho and got what she asked for. nothing illegal, no scandal. gutter journalism. 4 corners is crap andthe majority of the sheep are gullible....thats why they are sheep....
 
You really are naive Calliope.
To educate you, here's a report on the "dating" culture of todays young women.

I have noticed that all your posts are an attempt to put down women. You must have had some bad experiences to make you so cynical.
 
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