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Rudd Government failings vs. achievements

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So_Cynical said:
Ask any main stream political organisation what there trying to achieve and the answer will be power, and that power comes via the ballot box.
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Lets hope that the aquisition of that power does not drift too far from the well being of the population as a whole.

That's what I fear is happening.
 
drsmith said:
Lets hope that the aquisition of that power does not drift too far from the well being of the population as a whole.

That's what I fear is happening.
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Of course its happening...always has and always will, that's 2 party politics..Do you think that work choices was for the well being of the population as a whole.?
 

Maxine who?

Well one would hope they are trying to achieve power to implement their vision for the country.

That's what scares the 5h1t out of me about Labor.
 
The question is not being asked of a political organisation but of ASF members.
Of course all political parties want power.
The notion that they should actually have as their aim to improve the lot of the electorate is no doubt quaintly old fashioned.

I don't really agree, noco. For every day that the Libs just knock everything the government suggests, but fail to put up an alternative, is another nail in their political coffin imo.

I can still hear Tony Abbott when he was elected leader saying "the role of the opposition is to oppose". And he has ever since done nothing else.
The public on the whole dislike continued negativity.

Much goodwill could be created with voters by just occasionally agreeing that something the government proposed was reasonably sensible, e.g. the means testing of private health rebate.

By either not having any policies, or refusing to discuss these, Mr Abbott is taking the extreme risk of voters building up a sense that he is incapable of producing anything other than criticism and will turn off him permanently.

Remember, Mr Abbott has a history of foot in mouth and generally unfortunate statements, and simply can't afford to create any more negativity amongst voters. Instead he needs to negate much of his record if he wants to be taken seriously, and start producing some realistic policies.
Otherwise, people will just stop listening at all.

Don't let your obvious political affiliation blind you to the reality of Mr Abbott's electability or otherwise, noco.
 
wayneL said:
Maxine who?
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Exactly...she will only ever be remembered as the first woman, and only the second person, to unseat a sitting Australian prime minister in his own electorate.

And that's because she WON, and that's what politics is all about, the winners get to make the decisions and the losers get to do whatever losers do.
 
Back on track here. Lotsa wheel spinning at the moment.

Achievement: Ability to con the voting public with undecipherable rhetoric.

Fail: Causing translators to mass suicide after one of his speeches in a foreign country.
 

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I've given up on the original list, lol

I tried to make it neat but the people have spoken.

randomness rules.

Failings - National Broadband Network
 
Failing; Retaining the tax on interest on bank savings at one of the highest in the developed world.

Okay, it all very well for a socialist government to hate the banks; but why take it out on the depositors. There is a whisper that they will offer some relief under the Henry review, but only if you lock your deposits in for five to ten years. What retiree in their right mind would do that.
 
So_Cynical said:
Of course its happening...always has and always will, that's 2 party politics..Do you think that work choices was for the well being of the population as a whole.?
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I was meaning from an overall perspective rather than from an individual party or specific policy perspective.

If it is then Rome will eventually burn.
 
I wonder whether that will lead to banks lowering longer term deposit rates as more money would then be chasing these.

Rather than introducing more distortions and holes in the tax revenue net, they should be fixing existing ones and lowering the overall rates of tax.
 
sam76 said:
Failings - National Broadband Network
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LOL .. how the hell can a network we don't have be a failing? it wont be finished for more than half a decade! .. oh right because we don't actually need state of the art, next generation broadband..we should just struggle along with the mish mash of networks we have.
 
Given the technology the government is pursuing for this project is said to be almost obsolete already, how worthwhile do you think it's going to be by the time it's actually in place, So Cynical???

And then how many householders are actually going to want it, given the no doubt considerably higher cost?

Just might have been good to have done some damn feasibility studies first.
 
Is it just me or does every time Rudd puts forward something that falls flat on its face he pulls something else out of his hat to take away the attention from his failings??

eg NBN onto ETS onto Health....what is next when health ends up down the gurgler? Tax Reform...

Surely there is only so long he can do this before the smokescreen clears!
 

It is hard to beleive with all Rudd's failings that he still preferred Prime Minister, although today's Neilsen poll indicates Labor has lost 2% points and the Coalition has gained 2% points after preferencial voting.
 
Noco, do you have a link to that poll?

When I looked on the Neilsen website the following is what I got for latest poll. This is obviously very out of date:

 
Anybody added in changing the foreign ownership laws for housing therefore pushing up the average house price for the average australian?
 
Julia said:
Noco, do you have a link to that poll?

When I looked on the Neilsen website the following is what I got for latest poll. This is obviously very out of date:
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Julia, I saw it on SKY News yesterday. Sorry I can't give you a link except going to SKY NEWS.
 
noco said:
It is hard to beleive with all Rudd's failings that he still preferred Prime Minister, although today's Neilsen poll indicates Labor has lost 2% points and the Coalition has gained 2% points after preferencial voting.
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I don't know many who approve of Rudd at PM, but I know a few who think the Mad Monk is worse.

We aren't exactly spoiled for choice in Federal parliament these days.
 
Mofra said:
I don't know many who approve of Rudd at PM, but I know a few who think the Mad Monk is worse.

We aren't exactly spoiled for choice in Federal parliament these days.
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Yes I think Abbot may fall into the same catagory as Kim Beazly, only worse, as more of an 'ok I'll give it a go' sort of leader as opposed to the achievement of Rudd (and Howard) who is much more passionate about leadership.
 
Mofra said:
I don't know many who approve of Rudd at PM, but I know a few who think the Mad Monk is worse.

We aren't exactly spoiled for choice in Federal parliament these days.
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You got that right. We can only hope that one day the country will throw up a statesman. However we will never know, because he (or she) will have Buckley's chance of being elected.
 
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