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wayneL said:
Notwithstanding what are agreed to be heinous transgressions:

1/ what are these dogmas that harm children?

2/ which Christian groups practice such dogmas?
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Plenty of dogmas, take for example the groups such as jehovah witnesses who may deny blood transfusions etc to children, or Christians groups that believe physical violence is a justified way to “lead children to the lord”



These parents beat their child to death for god.

 
Darc Knight said:
And where are these "Christian teachings/dogma to abuse Children" VC?
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Take a look at this video.


Now I am sure you will have excuses as to why they aren’t “true Christians” but as I said, the Bible is interpreted in many different ways by many different people, hence the reason there is 10,000 brands of Christian.
 
Well damn VC, I guess the jw blood transfusion thing is a valid one. The others are abberant and isolated.

Humans of all sorts of creeds find ways of hurting children though, from Islam, to veganism, to child labour, maybe even radical gender theory.

Its just humans and I would posit that mainstream Christianity would be a lesser offender.
 
You're a disgrace VC. Posting vids of Extremists without having read the New Testament (the Christian Bible).

Give away your money VC. Live on the bare bones of your ass spending all your time helping the sick the poor the handicapped etc like these Christian groups like the Salvation Army, St Vincent de Paul, Father John Riley and the thousands of others who do the charitable works while you're serving yourself and attacking these charitable loving people.

Yeah, lets bash a self sacrificing loving Christian. If someone hits you on the right cheek turn and give them your left cheek as well is their motto (Matthew 5.39). Easy targets hey VC, because of a few bad apples.
 
Value Collector said:
See how silly it is to claim that any Christian that breaks biblical rules can’t be a Christian.
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Would you care to point out any passages in the Bible that say child abuse is OK ?

Unlike the leader of another religion who had a child bride, so child abuse in that religion is probably endemic.
 
It must be remembered that the Old Testament is a document of ancient Judaism, whereas Christian ideals come primarily from the New Testament.

That Numbers passage is several hundred years BC, ie several hundred years before the advent of Christianity
 
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Taking a passage of the Old Testament, and out of context. You do realise Christians are followers of Christ - Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ only came into it in the New Testament. The New Testament, love, forgiveness, benevolence, self sacrifice and all that. The New Testament overides the Old Testament.
If someone raped and killed someone you love Saxon, the New Testament teaches you to forgive that person and love that person etc.etc. etc.

Edit: once again, I'm NOT a Christian, but was raised by one.
 
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SirRumpole said:
Would you care to point out any passages in the Bible that say child abuse is OK ?

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Besides the Bible vs that call for children to be stoned to death for being brats, there is this little gem that is often quoted by Christians.

Proverbs 13-24
spare the rod and spoil the child.

Obviously that is saying hitting a child with a rod is recommended, but as we know different groups will interpret things differently, but offcourse as the videos I posted show, some Christians interpret that as children should recieve harsh beatings.

dark night saying that they aren’t Christians just because they don’t interpret the Bible the same as his favorite brands of Christians is silly.
 
Darc Knight said:
You're a disgrace VC. Posting vids of Extremists without having read the New Testament (the Christian Bible).
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They may be extremists, but they are still “christian” extremists.

I am not saying all Christians act like that offcourse they don’t.

But you are saying no Christians act like that, which is silly.

As I said from the start of our exchange, I simply have an issue with you reverting to the no true Scotsman fallacy.

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Also there are passages in the NT where Jesus says none of the OT rules are to change, I have heard Christians quote those verses when they bring up OT quotes to prove their points.
 
wayneL said:
Its just humans and I would posit that mainstream Christianity would be a lesser offender.
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I don’t disagree that “mainstream” Christianity is at the lesser end.

But, dark nights point was using the no true Scotsman fallacy, eg. Any one that did any harm wasn’t a Christian.

He was basically saying it’s impossble for Christians to do damage, because anyone that does damage, immeadiately loses that label,that is what I had an issue with.
 
VC, I'll apologise for my reaction to your posts. Just making a point that the New Testament is all about love and benevolence and all that. Some denominations do have issues I agree. I apologise again for my previous reply.
 
wayneL said:
That Numbers passage is several hundred years BC, ie several hundred years before the advent of Christianity
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So is the 10 commandments, But Christians still quote that all the time.

This is the cherry picking part and not all Christians will cherry pick the same bits.

Some Christians also avoid pork, and that’s from the Old Testament too.
 
Darc Knight said:
VC, I'll apologise for my reaction to your posts. Just making a point that the New Testament is all about love and benevolence and all that. Some denominations do have issues I agree. I apologise again for my previous reply.
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There is still some evil in he New Testament, but most modern Christians gloss over and ignore that, but some don’t.
 
Tink said:
That cross wouldn't last a day in our political PC climate, and VC would be the first to say pull that down.
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Muslims build beautiful building too, a beautiful building doesn’t mean the religion that built it is good.

Tink, you can build as many crosses or churches as you like, I fine with that, as long as you don’t ask for government subsidy.

You seem to miss the fact that I am probably the biggest supporter of religious freedom here, I am happy for anyone to invent any religion they like, but they have no right to force it on anyone else.

Keep your religion out of the public purse, and out of the government, and don’t use it to harm others and I am fine with it.
 
Value Collector said:
So is the 10 commandments, But Christians still quote that all the time.

This is the cherry picking part and not all Christians will cherry pick the same bits.

Some Christians also avoid pork, and that’s from the Old Testament too.
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I agree that the cherry picking from the ot is irritating and probably not warranted if one regards themself as a Christian.

And it is true that both books are full of contradictions, enabling Scallywags to form all sorts of weird doctrines.

However if you look at the overall picture and the cultures that have been created around the various mainstream religions, I think most of us agree that our culture which has been built around Christianity is the most progressive and benevolent.
 
wayneL said:
However if you look at the overall picture and the cultures that have been created around the various mainstream religions, I think most of us agree that our culture which has been built around Christianity is the most progressive and benevolent.
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I think the fact our culture has become progressively more secular is the cause of our prosperity.

Our society has improved pretty steadily, as we have become more and more secular, the fact our past is based in Christianity is a bit of an accident of history, and in most cases religion has been an anchor slowing us down, not driving us forward.
 
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