Mainly it shows how the scientific literature does this. The opposite of most Benjamin Graham techniques really. I decide on a simple/robust valuation metric (e.g. P/B) and then buy the cheapest quintile or decile of stocks. Now I have my portfolio and it is 'valued' as the cheapest N stocks in the universe measured by XYZ metric.
tech I am not sure you grasp entirely?
The "index" you refer to is just another trading system pulled from the scientific literature: buy the N largest stocks by market cap, weighted by market cap, rebalance yearly.
The indices I am referring to are the same, trading systems pulled from the scientific literature: buy the N stocks with the highest/lowest metric in a given market cap range universe and rebalance yearly. These indexes are the answer to your question about
They "value" index is simply the equity curve of a "value" system...
nice post, although that metric is still pulling in at least a few hundred stocks. I guess tech/a is referring to a small individuals portfolio? I'm assuming a similar result would be achieved in the long term however there would be greater volatility and tracking error in the individuals portfolio.
Mainly it shows how the scientific literature does this. The opposite of most Benjamin Graham techniques really. I decide on a simple/robust valuation metric (e.g. P/B) and then buy the cheapest quintile or decile of stocks. Now I have my portfolio and it is 'valued' as the cheapest N stocks in the universe measured by XYZ metric.
tech I am not sure you grasp entirely?
The "index" you refer to is just another trading system pulled from the scientific literature: buy the N largest stocks by market cap, weighted by market cap, re balance yearly.
The induces I am referring to are the same, trading systems pulled from the scientific literature: buy the N stocks with the highest/lowest metric in a given market cap range universe and re balance yearly. These indexes are the answer to your question about
They "value" index is simply the equity curve of a "value" system...
All of those using the metrics they are studying and tinkering with now will be seen as Dinasours. Plodding around in the dark.
Take 10 mins and watch this video
Yes Now you have explained it I do understand it.
NOW ILL GET TO MY POINT
I believe that the larger majority of Investor/Trader method is now archaic certainly in the retail sector.
All of those using the metrics they are studying and tinkering with now will be seen as Dinasours. Plodding around in the dark.
Take 10 mins and watch this video
http://www.mtpredictor.us/2099/correction-came-but-how-deep/
That video might be relevant to people who trade based on price. (maybe not)
But how does it have any relevance to somebody who buys a business based on that business generating the return?
If you had Algo’s squabbling over the price of your business and making millions of trades trying to get the better of each other – would it actually make any difference to you as the owner, the one who gets the excess cash flows?
I would like Joe's opinion if this should be pasted on the COH thread as a reference for investors who may miss it here.
Sorry Robusta
I'll go back to watching with interest
That video might be relevant to people who trade based on price. (maybe not)
But how does it have any relevance to somebody who buys a business based on that business generating the return?
If you had Algo’s squabbling over the price of your business and making millions of trades trying to get the better of each other – would it actually make any difference to you as the owner, the one who gets the excess cash flows?
Efficient market theory on steroids I hope this gains some followers as I believe it will create more opportunity for me.
Well YES it does.
In fact I think youll find the landscape of the market as we know it will be altered for good.
Having a chat to my resident quant he makes some valid points.
(1) human behaviour may be taken out of the equation--Fear and Greed.
(2) price will no longer act in ways which human behaviour can be read.
(3) Fundamantal analysis will no longer determine price.
(4) Supply and demand will be governed by the algo's trading the instrument.
(5) Those algos will have algos "learning" their algos to profit from them.
(6) Goverments and larger business will be and are using them.
(7) The punter will just be bled---the algo knows if it/they made the bid or ask and will either buy or sell to take advantage of the "New Money"---effectively pocketting it. remember they are big enough to control price. As such they will control the price of a company---if its bot traded.
Brave New World
Fanasy?
As long as buying and selling has to be done , very little that matters will change.
Patterns in demand and supply!
Every position taken has a dual effect.
A buy has to be sold !
And a Sell has to some point will buy.
cause and effect will always create imbalance and opportunity.
What causes rational and irrational ?
The amount of money chasing opportunity. The amount of money entering or leaving. Being created or destroyed. This will always be changing. There will always be following of perceived opportunity , this creates other opportunities.
There is Trend and Counter Trend ( IE there are different reactions and actions )
Hence there will always be Tops and Bottoms and turning Points and of different degrees.
Everyone also needs someone to buy and sell from.
natural selection ( always a key concept ) will favor an increase not a decrease in market niches and of the number of profitable time horizons.
Fundamental Analysis will have more not less opportunity as will everyone else. ( that is two sided as well ).
The coastline of prices will just get much more fractal not less.
Motorway
Having a chat to my resident quant he makes some valid points.
Brave New World
Fanasy?
Why don't you just call your son, your son?
Because all the algorithmic trading that's gone on so far has been so spectacularly successfulthat all the institutions love it! Oh wait, nope, they ****ing hate getting subpennied and execute in dark pools now. Hilarious stuff tech, fear and greed removed, were you not trading on May 10 2010?
It's our money, earned through productivity invested through superannuation and funds that these guys think they will be able to 'scalp' forever. Short sighted fools is all they are. I mean, why don't we all just stop producing and start scalping shares, everyone will be rich, right? Oh wait again, nope, turns out the real world still matters more than a bunch of 1s and 0s.
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