I agree the the market is broadly efficient based on aggregate expectations and I have been able to determine this through my research. However, it is frequently inefficient in components. Therefore I think there are always opportunities.
I agree that competitive advantage is king. However, I think that until I have spent 30 years owning and studying numerous businesses I will never be at the stage where I can successfully identify it, especially to a point where I am comfortable purchasing with little discount. Also everybody else is looking for it, so surely the thousands of participants in the ASX must have identified every company with significant competitive advantage by now?
The ASX however seems to have 100 or so alright businesses where if the correct factors (fundamental/technical/economic/business model/takeover/ ‘gut feel’) are considered then the expected value of the investment makes a worthwhile investment. Due to the market being broadly efficient, sometimes opportunities present themselves where the price is wrong for either the probability of long term survival or short term success . The factors depend on the business model but it does not need to be more than a few factors, just the right ones! As per my GCS example, monitor the management guidance, watch the correct economic indicator and then buy at the right price to sales ratio.
There is no magic ratio. Price to Sale Ratio work for the Medium class. It makes me focus on how much revenue does buying the whole business get me. Revenue is where the “economic value” of the business begins and as an equity investor with no control of the inner workings of a company, if the beginning does not look good then I am not interested.
Macros,
How many components do you consider? I really only focus on long term survival and short term success as I think they have the most influence on price and therefore my returns.
Oddson,
I'm conducting thorough review of the market. Came across a particular stock (one of many so far - so many opportunities!)
and thought... that is ripe for the upswing.
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Lo and behold... GCS as you mentioned previously.
As I conduct my review, it is clear that there are many opportunities at present - hopefully a time soon to repair your balance sheet Robusta!
Btw, sorry if this is taking away from your thread Robusta - let me know if these types of discussions are best taken elsewhere.
Interesting question.
I guess I think along similar lines if I were to use the words long term survival and short term success, however I think the way in which I think about those concepts are different. I'd also point out that my views and investment philosophy have been growing and are in a state of flux - I have not yet reached a point where I can encapsulate all things that I need to consider before making a decision to maximise potential while minimising risks (I always seek to do things better).
Components:
- Long term value trend against current apparent value
- Short term potential impacts or drivers of value change
- Qualitative factors which may impact value over 1-2 years (e.g. cash flow, debt, sustainability and other issues)
- The macro factors driving the company - e.g. market trends, global factors, things which could throw value around like a leaf on a river
- *New: macro economic indicator to inform me quantitatively of likely market trend direction and strength. I've had some exceptionally out-sized gains eroded by getting the trend wrong. Invest in companies that fit in with the market trend and point in the cycle.
Robusta,
With regards to GCS, I was definitely referring to short to medium-term cycles. I personally view most Aussie stocks in terms of value cycles, it just depends on how long they can last. It isn't necessarily in the best economic segment, but if positivity flows through to the markets, the stock price could react well given that it appears to have the value to support it. It wouldn't be a prime candidate for me, but it definitely holds some opportunity for now.
I don't understand MND - has always looked like more of a market darling and prices seem to spend way too much time far above value. I think that the mining services business are in a good spot right now and should do well during improving market conditions. Many many opportunities, but hard to prioritise them right now due to the quantity and the balance of risk/reward.
The time is here for me. Sold out of MND today at $20.06, love the company but my view is the sp has run too far past IV. Bought in Jan 2010 @ ~ 12.50 and again in May @ ~ $13.00 wanted to hold long term but could not go past market offer of $20.00 +
The one company that has my attention right now (unexpectedly) is MGX - I don't typically like iron ore producers, however it appears to have the best recovery potential of all the stocks I've looked through thus far. Obviously it is not a long-term stable value play, but is more relevant to improving macro conditions combined with a likely value gap.
NEW INVESTMENT
Bought 185 x QBE @ $10.81 = $1999.85
To get these guys at a touch above book value IMO should work out well given time.
1. Why the fascination with book value? You do know it is nothing more than an accounting term (ana historical one at that)? E.g. Mnay European banks trade at 50% book value...
2. Didn't you used to have a day job?
NEW INVESTMENT
NVT - Navitas Limited
Bought 1023 @ $2.93 = $2997.39
Call me crazy if you like given NVT recent earnings downgrade and the rising A$ but I think NVT may be one of the few ASX listed companies with a sustainable competitive advantage.
Robusta - loved your thread to date, a great read
Tell me, have you ever looked @ TGA? Could you please tell me your thoughts on this one if you have?
You crazy!
I said in the NVT thread that I like the company but flat earnings and a pe of ~13.5 put me off it. And in this market it's inherently possible that it falls to a 8-9x earnings.
If it makes you feel better I thought they were excellent value at $3.37 and $3.18. You cannot hope to pick the bottom every time. More than happy to keep averaging in at these prices over the next 6-12 months if it doesn't bounce. I am investing for very long term growth in cash flow, rather than capital growth however.I almost hope you are right McLovin, if the price drops that much I will buy more - if i still have capital available.
About the only think that bothers me with NVT is the recent acquisition - I think they paid too much, hopefully this will not be repeated.
If it makes you feel better I thought they were excellent value at $3.37 and $3.18. You cannot hope to pick the bottom every time. More than happy to keep averaging in at these prices over the next 6-12 months if it doesn't bounce. I am investing for very long term growth in cash flow, rather than capital growth however.
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