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That Mexian Catholic bishop is none too bright. If he had any sense he'd realise that the problem lies in the idiotic rule of the Catholic church that priests must be single and celibate.
Every normal human is hard-wired by nature to have a desire for sex. This particularly applies to men. When that desire is suppressed by some moronic, outdated rule within a church, it's no wonder that randy priests run off the rails and start looking for covert means of sexual release.

Sooner or later the silly old fogies who make the rules of the Catholic church will open their eyes and realise how downright dumb and stupid it is to have a 'single and celibate' ruling towards priests.

They'll allow priests to marry and and have families and be normal men.
When that eventually happens, not only will much of this ongoing sexual abuse problem disappear, but priests who are married with families and have all the normal life experiences that go with family life, will be far better equipped than single celibate priests to provide worthwhile guidance, advice and counselling work within their church.
 

This is the morality of the bible - these are the values of Christianity. If the bible is the word of God, then time does not change them.

It is atheists/humanists that have moved society away from such barbarism. The church still condemns adulterers and homosexuals and discriminates against them. Christians have killed doctors providing abortion services in the US and other countries. Uganda, which is a Christian country, imprisons homosexuals. The catholic church condemn abortion even in the case of rape. There are plenty more examples of church supported barbarism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/3216229.stm
 

Gooner, your arguments are so flawed, Catholics would ignore your comments as complete tripe, only incredibly ignorant persons would ever consider those comments as being true.

You will find crazy behavior in all areas of society, even 'democratic' countries doing none democratic behaviour. Don't cover all of anything with red paint, because of the actions by a minor few.

Also believe Jesus said, if you have never sinned throw the first stone. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Also if we follow your logic then anyone performing 'other' acts , such as pedophilia, will be judged, but also should be judged by the law of the land ... however not with anyone throwing rocks at them (I guess unless if that is how society finds justice in those countries ... although Catholicism is totally against capital punishment, so I guess not in those cases either).
 
Not really about Dawkins

More that the mention of Dawkins name brought out the forum fruitloops, otherwise known as atheists.

Here's a couple I prepared earlier -

 

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Not really about Dawkins

More that the mention of Dawkins name brought out the forum fruitloops, otherwise known as atheists.

Here's a couple I prepared earlier -

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Genesis 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 

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That's Fishbone and Atllas obviously. I guessed they were related. It's obvious now why they post tripe.
 
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The values themselves aren't the problem - if lived up to, they're benign. The charge against the church is that they DON'T live up to the values.
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Thank you for finally saying something sensible.

If these comments (especially that it's difficult to respect children) are symptomatic of the attitude of the Catholic Church, then no wonder atheism is on the rise.
 
Ladies and gentlemen,

This thread has degenerated somewhat and is in danger of being closed due to the increasing prevalence of silliness and unnecessary ad hominem attacks.

In summary:

  • Lets stop the derogatory generalisations about atheists and catholics as groups. This debate is about Dawkins and the current Pope and atheism and catholicism as concepts/philosophies/world views.
  • No more silly photos please. They add nothing to the debate and from this point forward they will be removed.
  • Play the ball, not the man (or woman). Debate the issues, don't attack those participating in the debate.
Your co-operation is appreciated.
 

Yes Joe I agree, we need to lighten up a bit...


 

Jeez Joe, you certainly know how to slow a thread down !

I haven't been following this as I think Dawkins is a bit of a twat as all of this area was covered by Blaise Pascal a couple of hundred years ago.

If it hasn't been mentioned before on a stock forum thread about an atheist going up against god, it should be.

I'll quote from wikipedia.

Lets hope Dawkins is right for his sake, as if he's not, he gets to arrest an old man but pays by going to hell. Not a good wager.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascals_Wager

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Jeez Joe, you certainly know how to slow a thread down !
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Sorry GG, just trying to get it back on track rather than slow it down. I have sensed an increase in both silly photo posting and hostility/antagonism between ASF members in this thread and felt it was having a negative impact on the quality of debate. Believe me, I hate to sound so stern all the time, but if I don't people will think I'm a pushover and they can get away with anything.

Lets just debate the issues folks. There's plenty of interesting debate/discussion to be had without resorting to personal attacks on other ASF members or insulting generalisations about atheists and catholics. I certainly have no objection to robust debate. In fact, I enjoy reading it. Lets just try and not let things degenerate any further.
 
Thanks Joe, for jumping in and trying to bring this thread to course.

Solly interesting post after Joe, I am a huge Monty Python fan.

Bringing this thread closer to its original post, lets hypothetically indulge this for a while ...

while I come from a family of 5 lawyers, but I am not trained in law,

lets change the Pope, to the President of the United States ...

who here will not be biased on a point of view without hearing the facts ... for any crime put to the charge ?
 

Reading thru the Pascal wiki its pretty clear Pascal's a fence sitting philosopher with next to nothing in common with Dawkins...also clear that Pascal is dealing with the philosophic side of the debate. For the vast majority of atheists there is no debate and no philosophy needed.

 
I think it's not a hot news, it become an ordinary daily happening news. The Catholic Church is in trouble.

Anand Vishwakarma
 

Bzzt, wrong.

That is all.
 

Agree, Pascal has very little to add.

People bring a lot of prior prejudice to these types of discussions in regards to the Catholic church,

which is comparative to some general or even only Australian attitudes to Americans, aboriginals, foreigners, etc ...

that discussions around facts are so laden with additional comments filled with prejudice,

that is makes almost any discussion .... just basically become a hate fest.

Stay with what you know folks, hate what you don't know ... seems the mantra ... but not the Catholic one. If you disagree with my statement, then you know ****e about the Catholic beliefs.
 
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