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Richard Dawkins - right or wrong?

The "Dawkin's club" seems to include Carl Sagan, David Attenborough et al - at least as far as evolution goes.

He (Attenborough) argues for evolution in this youtube. - and He criticises those who jump from a "sense of wonder" about nature to the invention of a merciful God.

He goes on to say Man has a moral obligation to the world at large.

Sir David Attenborough on God
 
He goes on to say Man has a moral obligation to the world at large.
If man is an accident of physics and chemistry, he has no moral obligation at all, to anyone or anything.

These "scientists", even the inventor of the word "meme", insist on persisting with the Christeo-Judaic meme to disparage the concept of some ...ummmm (let's just call it higher consciousness for now).

All that really does is disparage the Abrahamic religions. Fair enough I say if that's all that is intended. However the agenda is more than that, it is to proselytize for their own belief system.

Scientific?

Pffffffft.
 
If man is an accident of physics and chemistry, he has no moral obligation at all, to anyone or anything.

I dunno if it`s that simple Wayne. I think life probably was an accident of physics and chemistry, but after billions of years, man is certainly not.
We are all born with a capacity to acquire a certain type of moral system, depending on which culture you`re born into ... it can`t be helped.
People give blood, donate etc ... such altruism happens everyday and it`s not just limited to mankind but also evident in the animal world, and beyond the realm of kin selection.


Agree here, thats exactly whats going on right now and Dawkins is the leader.
But why?
With Intelligent Design clearly having holes in it, why don`t the 'scientists' just go about their business of doing science and in time ID will be binned by an inevitable increase in knowledge.
The truth is that ID is literally an attack on science itself, and after the creationists failed to dismantle the theory of evolution, they are using this new bulls**t to destabilise it.
I`ve read a couple of Dawkins books and loved 'The Ancestors Tale'.
Perhaps scientists should stick to what they do best.
 
This is only because it's in our self interest to do so. It's a survival mechanism.

Wherever there is 'ultruism' in the animal kingdom, it can be related back to the same purpose.

'Morals' are a concept describing our requirement to create an environment where we might best have the chance to be happy and thrive, but ultimately, just survive.
 

Agreed. I suspect there is also (though we don't like to acknowledge it) a suspicion that we need to be aware of the possibility of karma (I use the term loosely). i.e. if we are kind to others, donate our blood etc., then if we are in the s**t, someone else will do likewise for us.

Something to do with the general construct of what we understand as a functioning society.
 

Interestingly though, bees provided a spanner in works.
Bees sometimes allow themselves to be killed, in order to protect the hive, but since dead bees can`t pass on their genes, where did this instinct for sacrifice come from.

Moral bees with suicidal tendencies
 
I've quoted a few excerpts from this talk - might as well post the lot.
Turns out it is sometimes entitled "The Great Convergence" and sometimes "Snake Oil and Holy Water".

Explores (among othe things) the wonder of science - and the blurring of the boundary with religion.

http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins...awkins/Work/Articles/1999-10-04snakeoil.shtml
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Since camel spotter has introduced prime numbers (on another thread), I add this quote from Richard Dawkins (paraphrased) ...

What I want to emphasise is the "Goldbach Conjecture"

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=509122


call it one of those riddles that we can't prove, I guess - despite the fact we can't disprove it either


And this from wiki ... (letters between Euler and Goldbach)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

 
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