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Religion IS crazy!

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I think religious schools should not receive government funding, that would reduce them in number.

But as for allowing children to be taught a religion, I think we have to allow it, atleast to the point where actual harm is caused to the child or the child decides they don't want it, and the school needs to maintain all the standards expected of a public school.

But I would like society to shun the teaching of religion to children, I think the only reason the religions care so much about getting into schools is that they know they have to get the superstitions instilled in the child before the age of reason.
 
Pope Francis calls out fundamentalists.
http://www.news.com.au/world/africa...s/news-story/aca26bfba689973e42ad9e280bd4c832
 
Now back to Christmas and the Carols, that you are trying to ban, that have been going on for centuries.
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I don't mind Children singing Christmas carols, I think a state school should pick secular versions though to avoid the pushing of one religion.

eg, ruldoph the red nosed reindeer, jingle bells etc, not the overtly religious ones.

But you are free to send your kids to a faith school if you want religious instruction.
 

All you are saying here is that if I was willing to accept a religion based on bad evidence, then I would have some beliefs that are crazy.

How exactly does that "snooker me"

I have given you the information I would need to be snookered.

1, evidence of Jesus from during his life (that would snooker me on the mans existence)

2, evidence the bible claims are true ( that would snooker me on the legend)

So far there is neither.


lol, so far you can't show Jesus wasn't a false prophet.

and if there was a god that cared whether I believe or not, he would know exactly the evidence I need to believe, so the fact that I am an atheist, shows that the god either doesn't care, or doesn't exist.

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Looking forward to seeing their evidence, I don't like their chances.

Plenty of organisations have spent millions trying to prove their cult is true, all have failed.

Just remember this is the crazy stuff the Mormons actually believe

 
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How exactly does that "snooker me"
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Everyone is snookered in the religion debate.

Believers will believe and not believers will not, everyone is preaching to their own "converted" audience.

Big changes in opinion over short periods of time are unrealistic, it's more likely to be constant wearing away of a stone as more people realise that religion enslaves their intellect.

Promises of good treatment in an afterlife for killing innocents is evidence that religious insanity still exists, when these sort of attacks disappear there may be some evidence that the religious grip is loosening.
 
SirRumpole said:
Believers will believe and not believers will not, .
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Belief is irrelevant, when what is being debated are facts.

Everyone should be able to answer the question "Why do you believe that?" with a good answer, faith is not a good answer, and neither is because lots of others people that or because its an old idea.
 
Value Collector said:
Everyone should be able to answer the question "Why do you believe that?" with a good answer, faith is not a good answer, and neither is because lots of others people that or because its an old idea.
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It's not a good answer for you or me, but that doesn't matter, the people who have "faith" don't care what you or I think.
 
SirRumpole said:
It's not a good answer for you or me, but that doesn't matter, the people who have "faith" don't care what you or I think.
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And that's fine for them, I support their right to live in ignorance, But we shouldn't allow them to force their ignorance on our government or schools, and when they say stupid things we should point out where they are making logical fallacies rather than give them respect and say their ideas are equal to scientific facts, or give them a higher place in society than they disserve.
 

They allow you your say, but of course their (Christian) politeness is pure patronisation without condescension.... you are their biatch because you haven't walked the path, seen the light and taken Jesus into your bosom.
 
Tisme said:
.... you are their biatch because you haven't walked the path, seen the light and taken Jesus into your bosom.
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Hahahaha, neither have they, they have just convinced themselves into thinking they have.

You could say that for any religion switch the word "Jesus" in you sentence for "Muhammad" and see how silly your sentence sounds, because that's what it sounds like to me.

You can really switch it for any of the superstitions, lucky Rabbits foot, lucky underpants or "The secret" etc

I would prefer to live life in reality, I don't need an imaginary friend, I support your right to have one though, But if you want to talk about him in public just remember most of us think you are crazy.
 
This is how it should be done. Boot the Bible (and even Koran), out of politics....


Mayor Swears In, But Not On the Bible​




 
DB008 said:
This is how it should be done. Boot the Bible (and even Koran), out of politics....


Mayor Swears In, But Not On the Bible​





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Australia has a secular constitution, as does the USA, but it hasn't stopped the catholics taking over the Liberal and Labor Parties here in a generation and I doubt it will stop the American Anglicans (evangelists) from appealing to the public for election either. You only have to look at the power brokers in the USA politics to know there are a lot of Jews in support roles.

Religion will also win out until the next war comes along
 
SirRumpole said:
You wouldn't think it about the USA, for God and country and all that stuff.
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And the weird thing is that our constitution draws on the American one. Obviously we have an inherent immunity to fairy dust.
 
Tisme said:
And the weird thing is that our constitution draws on the American one. Obviously we have an inherent immunity to fairy dust.
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Not unexpected perhaps. Calvanist puritans on the Mayflower vs godless criminals on the First Fleet.
 
SirRumpole said:
You wouldn't think it about the USA, for God and country and all that stuff.
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That's why secular organisation have been successfully suing state government and getting them to remove religious monuments such as the ten commandments that were placed in front of many court houses in the 50's when the USA went all religion crazy, in the face of the godless communists.



And when States refuse to remove the religious monuments, then in the name of freedom of religion, the groups are trying to force the government to allow them to install a satanic monument, seems like a fun game.

 
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