Yes, I think this is because there has been an ever growing number of people that don't take it seriously, so they have lost support, so they simply don't have the power to do the things they once could and are forced to bow to secular laws.
Also science has lifted the curtain and revealed the a lot of the real workings of the universe, stuff we used to give god credit for, eg natural disasters, good seasons/bad seasons, disease, disability etc are all scary, when we have a bad drought now, we blame the weather we don't blame the heathens and go on a religious inquisition, and we don't blame witches for children born with disabilities etc. science had forced a lot of Christians to take the bible metaphorically where as they used to take it literally.
When you don't have the scientific answers you are at the mercy of superstition, often the horrible things people have done in the name of gods is not because they are bad people, they have done it from fear of gods retribution or to get on side with gods because they fear them, science took a lot of the fear away.
So how we do this in religious theocracies where those in power will resist any challenge to their authority ?
I think it will happen naturally over time, things like the internet will help a lot, it took Christianity hundreds of years, I think Islam will not take as long because of the speed that information travels at these days, but it still will take a couple of generations to get to our level.
I am anti all forms of superstition tink, not just Christian mythology.
and once again, atheism is not communism, as much as you would like to hang the crimes of communism on atheism, you can't, atheism is just a lack of belief in gods, nothing more than that, any thing else is something else.
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Don't know, just saw the Matrix and its 0 and 1... that's how digital and computing translate all the codes and nulls right? I never took a course in Computing.
The Indian (not the ones Columbus got lost and "discover") invented the 0 - their philosophy has the concept of nothingness... mix it with the pre-Islamic Arabs/ME mathematicians and it's much smarter than the Roman numerals, whose only use seem to be in sequels to moviesSee, documentaries does have its merits.
Oh! How will your Christian computer understand the off state without first understanding the concept of nothingness? God have always existed and it took the Indian to see and define zero. No zero will mean it will always be on for you guys.
The Chinese didn't just invent the paper for Guttenberg to print on. They have also invented printing presses and from a doco i saw had also massed produced all kind of books. So beside secret martial arts manuscripts and calligraphy, have also done the printing - and put it to more useful stuff than the Bible about some fairies and magical castles in the sky... ne ne...
The Portuguese and Spaniards were part of the Islamic empire way back then right? Was conquered until the 13th century when the Mongolian kind messed things up for the Muslims a bit.
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Yea, the German made good use of IBM's slot card computing against certain groups of undesirables and war planning and logistics too I bet.
But without Turing's code breaking machine, it would have taken thousands or millions of years to crack the Enigma though right?
Anyway, point was... the advanced and noble Christian values Harris was on about led to the suicide of one of its heroes at the age of 41. Maybe giving a guy like Turing a couple of decade during peace time in the age of electronics and transitors... might have resulted in something useful than an early and painful death... not just to Turing but to thousands of other British citizens.
1 to me, no zero to Harris
Bad analogy.
The Chinese invented paper, got the ink, got the block printing, printed books with it too... Guttenberg did the same but only a few centuries later and got all the kudos as though he invented printing and mass production of books.
The Arab sailors invented the triangular sails... with it European ships could travel faster and navigate better. Their astronomy and all those books they translated made it possible to get out of the Dark Ages.
Those are more than an idea they had in their sleeps I'd say.
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What are we on about again?
That long dead people of your shades are better than long dead people of my shade?
Anyway, Harris is a stooge to his country's propaganda. That's all fine and all understandable... we all believe in the nobility and superiority of our own. But to call such people Liberal or an Intellectual offend reality and those who truly are a pain in the behind of everyone because they're always objective and rational and will not apologise for crimes and cruelty.
Thanks, Tisme.
I wasn't going to reply in this thread, but just to confirm -- I wasn't having a go at atheists, I know you get good and bad in all people.
VC, and his twisting of words, that I dislike atheists, is not true.
You don't like the shoe on the other foot, VC, that your religion is crazy.
You don't like the shoe on the other foot, VC, that your religion is crazy.
No I don't like you constantly portraying atheism and communism as the same thing, and trying to say atheism is responsible for the crimes of the communists, which it is not.
Atheism is a lack of belief in any gods, this "Unconvinced" position has no tenants, doctrine etc it doesn't lead you to commit crimes or do anything good or bad, any good or bad you do has to be inspired by another opinion you hold.
So the fact that some of the communists were atheists is irrelevant, because it was their political agenda that lead them to commit crimes against humanity, not their disbelief in gods, However ISIS and the like a different, their killing is a direct result of being convinced a god exists and their scriptures are his commands.
The communists under Mao actively suppressed religion and the Chinese communists still do, namely the Falang Gong and Buddhism in Tibet, Richard Dawkins wants to destroy religion in all its forms.
It doesn't really matter that there is no atheist Bible that says to destroy religion, militant atheism is anti religion and can be as intolerant as you say religion is.
What Mao and the Communist did weren't in the name of Atheism. It's in of name of Communist and the people's Emperor Mao.
They were against Christian, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, atheist, engineer, metalurgists, farming, birds... they're nuts.
VC is not a militant Atheist... he religiously bashes religions but he support your right to practice and believe its nonsense. A militant would lock you up, burn your church and give you his small red book to memorise
The communists under Mao actively suppressed religion and the Chinese communists still do, namely the Falang Gong and Buddhism in Tibet,.
Richard Dawkins wants to destroy religion in all its forms.
It doesn't really matter that there is no atheist Bible that says to destroy religion, militant atheism is anti religion and can be as intolerant as you say religion is
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Back on deck ... where were we....ah yes you were maintaining that Europe and the industrial/technology revolution never happened .......
I never called VC a militant atheist, I just said that they existed and can be as intolerant as religion is.
I never called VC a militant atheist, I just said that they existed and can be as intolerant as religion is.
Point was, we can't use a civilisation's high or low point to make our case of one being superior or inferior to another. We all have our moment in the sun killing the others
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ook at yourself, you believe in a deist type god, a rather simple belief which by itself can not really inspire violence, it takes other doctrines and scriptures and beliefs to do that, simple atheism is even more benign, its just being unconvinced that a god exists.
An atheist may become militant if he comes to believe that religion is harmful and needs to be stopped, again this is not atheism itself, this is a separate belief based on other experiances, not just the disbelief in gods.
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