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Do something. Just open your online broker, pick something [anything!], choose a time frame and trade it as best you can. Risk $5000 or $2000 or $500 if you're really chicken, and see what happens. If you're scared to even pull the trigger ONCE, likelihood is you will fail over the long term. No amount of learning or paper trading will get you that basic level of confidence.
I am still at the very early stages of developing a trading system and will not be looking at trading with any real money for at least 12 months.
but I am really looking for very rough indications of what others are achieving. I don't want to set an objective that is completely unattainable.
tech if you gave your precious system to 100 very motivated and intelligent people, all keen to make a buck, only some of them would actually make money. In fact what you'd find if you plotted "% return vs participant #" for all 100 participants, after 12 months it would resemble a bell curve. Some would lose, the majority would make a small return and some would do very well. Now here's the clincher: the very same bell curve would be found if ANY "successful" trading system was revealed to the public. It's not the system that makes money, it's the person running it.
Do something. Just open your online broker, pick something [anything!], choose a time frame and trade it as best you can. Risk $5000 or $2000 or $500 if you're really chicken, and see what happens. If you're scared to even pull the trigger ONCE, likelihood is you will fail over the long term. No amount of learning or paper trading will get you that basic level of confidence.
tech if you gave your precious system to 100 very motivated and intelligent people, all keen to make a buck, only some of them would actually make money. In fact what you'd find if you plotted "% return vs participant #" for all 100 participants, after 12 months it would resemble a bell curve. Some would lose, the majority would make a small return and some would do very well. Now here's the clincher: the very same bell curve would be found if ANY "successful" trading system was revealed to the public. It's not the system that makes money, it's the person running it.
Boggo, you don't get it. Your special system doesn't work either. You make it work, (or not!).
I'd bet the house it wouldn't work out like a monte carlo test. Some would lose a lot of money despite their best efforts. And some would make 70%+. tech you yourself talk about systems and yet when it comes down to nuts and bolts you use discretion to choose what you buy and when!!!
Boggo, you don't get it. Your special system doesn't work either. You make it work, (or not!).
tech you yourself talk about systems and yet when it comes down to nuts and bolts you use discretion to choose what you buy and when!!!
Do something. Just open your online broker, pick something [anything!], choose a time frame and trade it as best you can. Risk $5000 or $2000 or $500 if you're really chicken, and see what happens. If you're scared to even pull the trigger ONCE, likelihood is you will fail over the long term. No amount of learning or paper trading will get you that basic level of confidence.
At the moment I am trying define what my objectives are and of course, like most people here, profit is one of them. I know that I can get 6.0% - 6.5%pa from a bank account with very little risk, and I can get 7% - 10%pa in a managed ASX share portfolio with a little higher level of risk. Given that I would be looking at trading ASX shares myself with a moderate capital investment ($50000) and the increased level of risk what sort of returns are realistic?
I know that it is of course going to be dependant on my success as a trader, but I am really looking for very rough indications of what others are achieving.
I would consider 20% pa on your investment in stocks to be completely reasonable if you trade well. Indeed, I would consider it a minimum target benchmark. There are people in this forum who do much better than this. Of course, there are people who do much much worse.Is 20%pa out of the question? Are there people doing better?
Thanks for your time.
At the moment I am trying define what my objectives are and of course, like most people here, profit is one of them. I know that I can get 6.0% - 6.5%pa from a bank account with very little risk, and I can get 7% - 10%pa in a managed ASX share portfolio with a little higher level of risk. Given that I would be looking at trading ASX shares myself with a moderate capital investment ($50000) and the increased level of risk what sort of returns are realistic?
Most professional fund managers only manage to beat the market return by 1 or 2 % over an extended period of time, but its not easy getting alpha out of billions.
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