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As one of the many that "scrutineered" the count, we laughed at the idiots that are incapable of understanding the electoral process and prefer to spoil their ballot. Informal votes outnumbered total votes for 2 of the candidates at the booth I attended.
Most of the people that spoiled their votes would also have failed a spelling test. Micky Mouse and Goofey (sic) got votes, again. So did Pauline Hansen (sic) despite not being on the ticket.
Next time you don't want to vote, just don't come along, and provide your legitimate excuse for not voting to the electoral commissioner. That way you save your time and money, plus the $1.54737 that eligible candidates receive per primary vote.
Better still, if you think you can do a better job, nominate as a candidate and have a crack at exploring what democracy is actually about. It's damned hard work, irrespective of whether or not you run as an independent, or for one of the major parties. Candidates have to have a view on everything thrown at them, and be able to defend what they say.
"When we place voting into the framework of politics, however, a major change occurs. When we express a preference politically, we do so precisely because we intend to bind others to our will. Political voting is the legal method we have adopted and extolled for obtaining monopolies of power. Political voting is nothing more than the assumption that might makes right. There is a presumption that any decision wanted by the majority of those expressing a preference must be desirable, and the inference even goes so far as to presume that anyone who differs from a majority view is wrong or possibly immoral."
That was your choice. You think it makes a difference because you wrote something clever? The "Goofey" voters at least put a smile on our faces.Hahathat's good. Please don't rope me in with those fools thanks.
Your choice was hardly "indirect". You made a conscious decision to not vote for a candidate. You thought you were making some kind of a point, or statement.I understand it extremely well, which is why I indirectly chose to vote against it.
We might have taken you more seriously if you suggested Richard Epstein.Maybe the scrutineer will google Ron Paul?
No. Those that chose to waste their votes rather than try and make a difference were the joke.Haha, democracy - yep, it's a joke.
etc/Hahathat's good. Please don't rope me in with those fools thanks.
I understand it extremely well, which is why I indirectly chose to vote against it......................
That was your choice. You think it makes a difference because you wrote something clever? The "Goofey" voters at least put a smile on our faces.
Your choice was hardly "indirect". You made a conscious decision to not vote for a candidate. You thought you were making some kind of a point, or statement.
In reality you chose to be a "nobody" - someone who in this instance just didn't matter.
We might have taken you more seriously if you suggested Richard Epstein.
No. Those that chose to waste their votes rather than try and make a difference were the joke.
You did go on.... and on... .I could go on....
Well, why don't you? I'm still waiting for your plan of how we can otherwise run our society.It makes a difference to me. I stood by my principles. I would have chosen not to vote, if that was an opt
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I could go on....
It's very easy to be critical of what we have, and I'm sure many of us would agree that it's far from perfect, but your criticism is hollow if you can't offer an alternative.
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So, Conza, I'm sure you won't mind giving us a detailed account of the sort of alternative system you must have in mind for running our society?
Well, why don't you? I'm still waiting for your plan of how we can otherwise run our society.
It's very easy to be critical of what we have, and I'm sure many of us would agree that it's far from perfect, but your criticism is hollow if you can't offer an alternative.
Your reforms would place power in the hands of the wealthy - no more, no less.......
as a very simple start.
Will it engage many more citizens ? perhaps not but for those of us that are I believe in the principle of liberty over democracy, not the other way round.
In other words you do believe societies need to be RUN and MANAGED by certain people.I don't think a society needs to be RUN or MANAGED by anyone... bar individuals following the non aggression axiom and Lockean homesteading private property rights.
A quote from the von Mises site a few week ago: "The majority of the voters are just dull and mentally inert people who dislike thinking and are easily deceived by the enticing promises of irresponsible pied pipers."I follow Individualism not collectivism.Your "individual" rights are supported by the collective will of the people to protect them. I follow the Austrian School of economics. That should be enough to understand where I am coming from but yeah:
Grace, the LNP didn't lose just on this point. In fact, it was one of the reasons I voted for the LNP. The reasons for their losing were otherwise and have already been discussed.
So what do you all want now? Do you actually want the Bligh government to tolerate excesses on the part of the public service, or do you want the most efficient use of your tax dollars by seeing unnecessary fat trimmed from said public service?
The ALP has won the election. Not much point in continuing to criticise everything they do, even when it exactly equates to what you liked in the LNP.
Although I didn't vote for her, I'm prepared to have an open mind about Anna Bligh and think she's off to a good start.
8. Have the public directly vote on issues, once a month, on line.. bang, you have your answer (non compulsory)
Fundamentally I believe in the principle of liberty over democracy, not the other way round.
In other words you do believe societies need to be RUN and MANAGED by certain people.
A quote from the von Mises site a few week ago: "The majority of the voters are just dull and mentally inert people who dislike thinking and are easily deceived by the enticing promises of irresponsible pied pipers."
Von Mises views are totally at odds with modern day politics.
At last week's State elections the Electoral Commission booth chief (where I attended) estimated that about half the voters entered without a wad of polling propaganda from the Party's manning the gates: The first time he had seen such a large number who knew exactly how they would vote.
My thesis was that, in wasting your opportunity to vote, you are no different to the fools who spoiled their votes and were not part of the formal count.And furthermore: I TOOK those pamphlets, and I didn't vote for anyone. Essentially they were all shoved into my hand, but that doesn't change the fact - you're thesis is wrong.
My thesis was that, in wasting your opportunity to vote, you are no different to the fools who spoiled their votes and were not part of the formal count.
Your foolishness was further compounded by taking voting pamphlets, despite knowing your vote would be informal: Were you going from dumb to dumber?
Unfortunately your other points have little to do with the theme of the Queensland election. And von Mises point about the free-market economy outdistancing any government-planned system is total bunkum. It has unravelled yet again, and is being frantically bailed out by governments around the world, as we write.
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