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Program: The Great Global Warming Swindle

Thanks bill, appreciated. Interesting they talk of things "spiralling out of control" up there - obviously very unstable climate - obviously we can cross Mars off the list as a potential alternative "summer retreat" if the going gets too hot here. Unless we take a lot of both hot and cold clothing - and learn how to breath (pure) CO2.
getting back to Earth for a minute , but Nature magazine also has this (about the expansion of arid areas in latitudes such as New Maxico (and Middle East, Nth Africa , about 30 - 35 deg N latitide - and presumably South Australia , South Africa about 30 - 35 deg S latitude )....

The Dust Bowl of the 1930's has been blamed on poor farming of course ( total clearing etc)

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-9.html
 
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-7.html
this scientist disagrees ... (paraphrasing) "mars heating up is all old hat .... bulk of scientists agree - we can model any planet, Earth or Mars, we know what they are doing , and we know what we doing as well ... and we on Earth have a problem other than solar..."
in short, - "don't get distracted by Mars folks"

I'm surprised he says that the solar fluctuations are only in accordance with normal cycle (11 yearly as I recall). I thought there was a nasty upward trend creeping up on us (??) - the next 500 years or so maybe (??)
 
I like the way the ABC is approaching this

straight after screening it , they (Tony Jones) puts the writer / producer of the program in the hot seat - and challenges his cred.

oops - just about to start ( 8.30) - big hand on 6 etc
But the discussion with 'expert panel' of scientists who debunk the program follows at 9.24 pm
 

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At this point in the program, there is alot of discussion about using global warming as a way to continue the subjucation of the world's poorest people.

I like the points they make;

1. Only use of solar power - can't power industry like that.
2. The fact that wood fires cause respitory diseases and causes greatly dimiinshed life expectancy.

Very interesting

Brad
 
Here's 17,200 scientist's who think global warming is a fallacy

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm


Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.


Dave
 
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=179592&highlight=goonshow#post179592
sorry kathmandu, but I don't like it when documentaries that claim to expose "swindles" are so easily shown to be swindles themselves.

BradK - spot on m8 - I agree - that's the part of the program that hits home to me as well We must let them catch up a whisker. No more of this selfish Aussie thing "well, third world, if YOU want to use more coal-fired power stations, then so will WE!" - China (second world I would say) opening new coal fired power stations at a rate of several hundred a year ( I think (?) - might be wrong, but heaps) - but it should be easier for Africa, and only when they get electric light can we legitimately comment.- imo .
 
Anyone who considers wood an acceptable fuel source for household use didn't come to Tasmania between the mid-1980's to late 1990's.

Please don't inflict that foul stench of toxic creosote on anyone else. Nobody deserves punishment quite that bad...
 
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'now' and 'NOW'

Graphs 1 and 2:-
let’s pretend the solar flare chart correlates like mit and glove
lets forget this mad divergence, there’s no need to show “all of”
quickly – join the missing data – let’s just broadcast this manure
keep it simple, keep it stupid, for our simple minded viewer.

Graph 3:-
lets pretend we’re quoting NASA lets throw in a graph or two
lets amend it where it doesn’t fit the dogleg that we drew
and our defence? we’re novices! – no “frank and honest” test
we’re Channel 4 - controversy is what we do the best.

Graph 4:-
lets pretend these shortened trendlines were correct ten years ago
since then we’ve have record records almost five years in a row
... Channel 4 ! - it’s not the “now and then” that’s causing all the row !
- it’s the 'if' - of rather 'when' - and the difference “now and NOW!”
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By the way the first graph is what Durkin used - conveniently ignoring the divergence of solar activity vs temp since then.
The second graph is what the ABC showed during Durkin's cross examination.
The third picture (full width , includes two graphs) compares what they say is NASA record versus what you find on NASA website.
And the final graph - extrapolated by me - is what has happened to temp in the last 25 years - it's based on a garph that the ABC had last night, extremely approximate obviously (sorry I missed getting a photo of the TV on that occasion)
 

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Interesting program and great of the ABC to air this great swindle of a swindle.

Had me questioning things for a most of the program (including... my god! was John Howard actually right to not fall for the GW hysteria!). For GW has become a bit of a religion of sorts - and by that, I mean a bit unquestioned. For (as someone who was once involved in academic research) it is rare to find even scientists go against a universal consensus (fear of ridicule and a scientist thrives on existing assumptions to add to a scientific model). It is always good to see a balanced argument and views from both sides of opinion.

And it also went some way to show how reliant we are as individuals on evidence presented by people with certain interests. Paint a picture professionally enough and you will have have the world belief your fallacy is true.

I thought it was interesting that the program showed the relationship between solar activity and global temperatures... this was never highlighted in previous GW media I've come across. Don't remember if An Inconvenient Truth mentioned this.

Great to see that the ABC shows that the presented relationship fails to show what has been happening since the 70s - that solar activity has remained constant or has decreased, yet temperatures have continued to increased. Shocking that this data was not revealed. This sort of thing brings the credibility of the program down to the 'secret alien autopsy' video that was shown 15 years ago...

The point that the developed world is expecting the third world to stop with greenhouse gas emitting methods of energy production is a good one to raise... no idea what can be done to improve the situation here in the next few decades.

Also there was a brief mention on sea levels and the fact that continents move in relation to sea level rather than the other way around. The snow that once covered all of Britain weighed that island down by a few metres apparently - erosion of coastline way above current sea level.

What I did find laughable was the audience for this - there were maybe 2 people that made sane comments - very little constructive questions were posed to the panel. Bit of a bizarre panel as well...

What I'd like to know is views from others about possibilities raised by an Inconvient Truth - such as positive feedback loops and the effect of melting of land-based ice on sea levels.

By positive feedback loops, I mean the melting of permafrost and release of carbon within and carbon evaporating from oceans with increased heat. The resulting increase in carbon fostering further increases in temperature.

Thermal expansion of seas and their effect on sea level should be easy enough to model along with displacement due to shifting of land based ice/snow from Greenland, Canada and Antartica....
 
Global warming is a fraud and Al Gore is an idiot....

I've been noticing my rights slipping away. America is no longer a free country. I'm immigrating to Australia as soon as possible...but I need a job.
 
Global warming is a fraud and Al Gore is an idiot....

I've been noticing my rights slipping away. America is no longer a free country. I'm immigrating to Australia as soon as possible...but I need a job.

If anyone understood the nature of our solar system they would recognise that the earth DOESN'T keep a stable temperature due to its comfort zone as it orbits the sun. that is why we have had ice ages and now it is heating up a bit.

I am sure we can a our most to fight the POLLUTION but we cant stop the warming.
 
And now for the Chinese version of global warming,
apparently they are having a huge problem with rats,rats in plague proportions,so they are eating them!how does the enviroment figure,well the rats are in plague proportions because the Chinese also eat the snakes that eat the rats and use the owls that are the natural enemy of the rat for medicinal purposes,but the proponents of the Global warnming defenders will surely not see those logical connections,
 
I've been noticing my rights slipping away. America is no longer a free country. I'm immigrating to Australia as soon as possible...but I need a job.

Tell me what your good at ?

lets just wish that hindsight2020 will not pollute this, just hope I'm on still on the dopes ignore list.

Bob.
 
I whole heartedly agree with Hayden Walker on this. It may have been discussed earlier, but certainly worth bumping again to stimulate more rational thinking.



From an article published in the Northern Star, March 2011;
  • "If you want to blame global warming for these weather extremes, show me the formula and I'll agree with you, but no one's got the formula to show the correlation between weather extremes and global warming.
  • "The River Thames froze up for six weeks and dried up for six weeks in the early centuries and there was no industrial revolution back then," he said.
  • He said the sun started to warm up in 2009, and in 2010 there were floods, blizzards, earthquakes and volcanic explosions around the world.
  • "If you have high sun spot activity, you find you get high rainfall, no drought conditions," Mr Walker said.
Haven't we had more severe sunspot activity of late? Soo... expect more wet and extreme weather.

The other factor that has an influence on sunspot and solar flare activity is the planetary (gravitational) cycles, ie how and when they line up. Walker understands this, but as yet (as far as I know) does not have a precise formula for predicting this.

Imo his methodology is much closer to understanding the cause and consequently the longer term weather outlook than many others who just monitor cycles and patterns here on earth.

http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2011/03/10/hayden-walker-weather-man-cool-on-warming/
 

No, our sunspot activity has ramped up from its minimum, but is still low... which probably explains the cooling over the past 10 years.
 

no what? Are you still bent on dissagreeing with me :.

our sunspot activity has ramped up from its minimum, but is still low... which

probably explains the cooling over the past 10 years.

Well, yes... I thought that much was self evident for anyone with an open mind.

It's why the 'movement' has changed from calling it Global Warming to Climate Change and now more emphasis on CO2 or carbon emissions, no doubt because temperatures were flattening off and even declining over the last decade and the 'warming' arguement was not sustainable even with their dodgy data.
 



Should be called the fight against nature - attempting to subdue change is just an un-winnable battle.
 
It looks as if the Global Warming Industry led by Al Il Gore and his brainwashed masses is hitting the hard ice of reality.

The Antarctic ice is more extensive than ever in recorded history.

Explain that.

For more on solar panels and wind turbines causing disastrous global cooling go to

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23765

From the Australian today

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-reality-sets-in/story-e6frg8y6-1226227156367



gg
 
What a farce, as if you can blame Global Warming on the NSW bushfires, this sham industry is a pox on us all.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-22/un-climate-chief-warns-of-nsw-27doom-and-gloom27/5036814
 
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