Kimosabi said:Planet Earth has been getting hotter and colder all by itself without any help from humans.
If you want to cool the Earth down, blow up a couple of huge volcano's or steer an asteroid into the Planet. It's worked in the past and I'm sure it'll work in again the future.
Planet Earth is a pretty dynamic place, it's always been changing and I suspect it will continue to keep changing regardless of what humans do...
YesKimosabi said:Planet Earth has been getting hotter and colder all by itself without any help from humans.
If you want to cool the Earth down, blow up a couple of huge volcano's or steer an asteroid into the Planet. It's worked in the past and I'm sure it'll work in again the future.
Planet Earth is a pretty dynamic place, it's always been changing and I suspect it will continue to keep changing regardless of what humans do...
For the uneducated, there a few really important matters that need discussion. And a part of the argument in this area relates to fundamental problems in scientific method. Mainly, that of inductivist proclamations. Here, we have the main line of argument:rederob said:Yes
And these changes have been imperceptible at a "human generational" level.
That is no longer the case.
The clearing of the world's forests since the beginning of the industrial revolution have ratcheted the pace of global climate change to a new level.
It is a fallacy to suggest "human" impacts cannot influence climate change, and the decision to rid the world of chlorofluorocarbons (Montreal Protocol) is possibly the best recent demonstration of the good and bad we can do.
2020hindsight said:chops, wayne , all you sandgropers out there
great show on SBS tonight 8.30 - all about solar energy - fantassstic!!!
PS in 5 billionyears the sun will reach out and burn up the earth !!!
so much for generation ZZ(bags not being reincarnated then ).
PS Galileo knew that the sunspot activity worked around an 11 year cycle!!
I just learned that today lol.
(PPS even so, I suspect that the pope is still in denial lol)
Chopschops_a_must said:Contrary to popular opinion, vegetation levels are actually increasing. It is one of the facts that has survived scrutiny from Bjørn Lomborg's work. Even my environmental studies lecturers don't dispute this (no matter how much it pains them to say so). What is in dispute, is how much O2 rubber and oil trees in SE Asia contribute to the atmosphere.
But to me this leads to an obvious conclusion. In that rising CO2 levels CANNOT be the ONLY contributing factor to global warming. Although, it obviously plays a part.
Cheers,
Chops.
WaynewayneL said:This reminds me of another group of dissenting scientists; those that follow the theory of the electric universe.
A link on GW from them http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8gfbewe7
Yes. But is this the result of greenhouse emissions or the result of the ozone layer being thinned over the poles?rederob said:Chops
It's a complex organism, is the Earth.
For example, the ice caps reflect an incredible amount of heat, and as they recede, the potential of the greater surface area of the oceans to "absorb" energy effectively doubles the heating mechanism from this event alone.
Once again, this is a case of the chicken or the egg. Is the thinning of the atmosphere related to greenhouse gases, or other causes, thereby adding to warming?rederob said:Additionally, although we cannot see the natural atmospheric barrier thinning, it is, thereby increasing the sun's radiation effects on the Earth's surface.
Yes, this is after clearing. But, if the number one premise of the greenhouse gas brigade is correct, we should be able to see a result.rederob said:In relation to there being more "vegetation", compare that to there being less "forests": The carbon absorption potential of a forest is significantly greater than a vegetative crop, for example, after clearing.
Really? So cloudy nights are much colder than clear sky nights in Winter? WARM oceans create clouds, which feed on themselves such as in cyclones and hurricanes.rederob said:The metaphoric black American in the woodpile is the extent that increased cloud cover through higher CO2 emissions prevents oceans from warming as greatly as they otherwise would. To date there are measurable instances (such as last summer over the Great Barrier Reef), but not on the global scale needed to make a meaningful impact.
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8gfbewe7As for warming caused by mankind's production of so-called "greenhouse gases," Professor Nils-Axel Mörner wrote in a submission to the UK parliament on global warming, "The driving idea is that there is a linear relationship between CO2 increase in the atmosphere and global temperature. The fact, however, is that temperature has constantly gone up and down. From 1850 to 1970, we see an almost linear relationship with Solar variability; not CO2. For the last 30 years, our data sets are so contaminated by personal interpretations and personal choices that it is almost impossible to sort up the mess in reliable and unreliable data."
wayneL said:Interesting program on SBS right now re sun spots and global temps. (WA)
No sun spots age in 18th century correlated to a "mini" ice age.
FWIW
<edit> 2020 posted about it earleir Doh!
ChopsOriginally Posted by chops_a_must
Really? So cloudy nights are much colder than clear sky nights in Winter? WARM oceans create clouds, which feed on themselves such as in cyclones and hurricanes.
Kimosabi said:Planet Earth has been getting hotter and colder all by itself without any help from humans.
If you want to cool the Earth down, blow up a couple of huge volcano's or steer an asteroid into the Planet. It's worked in the past and I'm sure it'll work in again the future.
Planet Earth is a pretty dynamic place, it's always been changing and I suspect it will continue to keep changing regardless of what humans do...
"so much for the news, and now for tomorrow's forecast2020hindsight said:PS in 5 billionyears the sun will reach out and burn up the earth - so much for generation ZZ (bags not being reincarnated then )
wayneL said:Interesting program on SBS right now re sun spots and global temps. (WA)
No sun spots age in 18th century correlated to a "mini" ice age.
FWIW
<edit> 2020 posted about it earleir Doh!
Prospector said:Exactly my thoughts too! If all of time is considered to be 1 hour, humans have been on this earth for the last few seconds. So where were we before the dinosaurs? The earth was in a naturally occurring warming cycle for thousands of years until the meteors hit to cool it all down. We are so arrogant that we even think we are responsible for global warming? Mother nature will have the last laugh.....
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