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Just curious
Do you eat meat 2020?
no m8, I only eat turnips grown in the tibetan highlandsJust curious
Do you eat meat 2020?
no m8, I only eat turnips grown in the tibetan highlands
talk about obfuscation
Maybe move away from a big city?I do agree more should be done to cut emissions yes Gobal Warming.
More so the air we are breathing is so polluted.
A basic factor, often ignored here in Qld at least, is the dumb encouragement by the government of increased population when the water and other infrastructure has not kept pace.Fish stocks are almost gone in many parts of the world.
Quality and access to basic water is diminishing whether through lack of facilities, over burdened resources, lack of rain.
Maybe move away from a big city?
Clean air here where I'm living.QUOTE]
I have moved though I come back to see my partner.
Not many people who would like to move to a cleaner area can in this monetary crisis. Those that live there - remain grateful as other things may impede your health.
I was speaking generally that most cities in the world have dreadful air quality. Whether it be by lack of government intervention or weather related the weight of warm air especially when it has a higher humity is keeping pollution in areas longer.
Sure there are breezes and wind but as a whole if emssions are rising from cars, fires, industry globally it comes to the base of increased pollution in the air more so than others but increased non- the less.
Any one planted 10,000 trees lately?
We as a race have the ability to
1) cap population numbers
2) replenish food sources
3) use renewable energy sources
4) replenish forests
5) recycle/reuse everything man-made
6) use fresh water sparingly
7) keep the lands and waterways clean
the reasons we don`t and won`t
1) different groups have different ideologies
2) all wired to consume relentlessly
3) all wired with choice -- care versus don`t care
2020 said:Wayne - finally found time to listen to it all. Have to say I owe you a massive apology. Fantastic. In my defence as to my initial reaction ... it starts with what I consider to be a spindoctored twisted logic
The Great Global Warming Swindle (in 8 parts)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ONv3JSbiOag part 1 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WN14URuh67s part 2 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=RJEwwuZ_2Cs part 3 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=aZP8dE9CGwE part 4 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJV2ZF7Pw4 part 5 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcG_WsDioc part 6 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8h_GgE9VKz8 part 7 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jnRb_7rnWp0 part 8 of 8 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQfD2DNnUQ part 1 of 9 – 1m45s
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM part 2 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yYaAlyu8vbA part 3 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hx4jnddLoIQ part 4 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=U-r8dtdLMls part 5 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_8cH8JMMew8 part 6 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QIzztkyovjc part 7 – 10m
CO2 follows and provides feedback; procrastination penalty , level of risk, etc
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yYaAlyu8vbA part 8 – 10m
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=96Cb3sWjRGY part 9 of 9 – 3m50s
The film's original working title was "Apocalypse my ****",[4] but the title The Great Global Warming Swindle was later adopted
The UK's Channel 4 premiered the documentary on 8 March 2007. The channel described the film as "a polemic that drew together the well-documented views of a number of respected scientists to reach the same conclusions. This is a controversial film but we feel that it is important that all sides of the debate are aired."[5] According to Hamish Mykura, Channel 4's head of documentaries, the film was commissioned "to present the viewpoint of the small minority of scientists who do not believe global warming is caused by anthropogenic production of carbon dioxide."[6]
Although the documentary was welcomed by global warming sceptics, it was criticised heavily by many scientific organisations and individual scientists (including two of the film's contributors[7][8]). The film's critics argued that it had misused and fabricated data, relied on out-of-date research, employed misleading arguments, and misrepresented the position of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.[9][10][11][12]
Channel 4 and Wag TV (the production company) accepted some of the criticism, correcting a few errors in subsequent releases.[13] However according to Bob Ward (former spokesman for the Royal Society), this still left five out of seven of the errors and misleading arguments which had been previously attacked by him and 36 other scientists in an open letter.[11]
Carl Wunsch
Carl Wunsch, professor of Physical Oceanography at MIT, is featured in the Channel 4 version of the programme. Afterwards he said that he was "completely misrepresented" in the film and had been "totally misled" when he agreed to be interviewed.[33][7] He called the film "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two."[34] Wunsch was reported to have threatened legal action[34] and lodged a complaint with Ofcom. He also raised objections as to how his interview material was used:
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Although Wunsch has admitted that he finds the statements at both extremes of the global change debate distasteful [7] he wrote in a letter dated March 15, 2007 that he believes climate change is "real, a major threat, and almost surely has a major human-induced component".
Here are the facts, Bolt
October 8, 2005
In the lastest salvo in the climate change debate, scientist Tim Flannery says the "errors" Andrew Bolt discovered in his book are, in fact, howlers on the columnist's part.
A WRITER named Andrew Bolt has recently published two articles (Herald Sun, September 28, October 5) calling into question my integrity, as well as that of The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald. He claims to have discovered errors in my book, The Weather Makers: The History and Future Impact of Climate Change, and that I have "a green hatred of our industrialised society". He also seems infuriated that I have ignored him and refused to say sorry.
The "errors" that Bolt supposedly discovers in my work, extracted in The Age, are in fact howlers on his part. Indeed, so egregious are some that it's hard to believe that Bolt has not set out to mislead his readers. Let's look at five of the biggest whoppers.
1 Bolt says that I claim that climate has been stable for the past 10,000 years. This is not so. In my book I reprint the graph that documents northern hemisphere climate variability over the past 1000 years, and enter into an extended discussion of well-known variations such as the Medieval Warm Period. Either Bolt has not read the book he is critiquing, or he is lying through his teeth. The point I do make, however, is that variability in average global temperature over the past 10,000 years has been small when compared with earlier periods. This is indisputable.
2 Bolt accuses me of saying that Katrina was the most powerful hurricane on record. Katrina is not mentioned in my book, which went to press before Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf Coast. ...
3 Bolt denies that President George Bush acknowledges that humans are causing global warming. The G8 leaders (including Bush) who convened at Gleneagles earlier this year signed a communique that stated: "Climate change is a serious and long-term challenge that has the potential to affect every part of the globe. We know that increased need and use of fossil fuels, and other human activities, contribute in large part to increases in greenhouse gases associated with the warming of our Earth's surface. While uncertainties remain in our understanding of climate science, we know enough to act now to put ourselves on a path to slow and, as the science justifies, stop then reverse the growth of greenhouse gases."
4 ... hurricanes and cyclones
... Suffice to say here that hurricanes require warm seawater to form, ... for the past few years the Gulf of Mexico has been warmer than 28 degrees through the hurricane season, which explains why hurricanes passing over these waters become supercharged and so dangerous....
5 In his second article, Bolt becomes confused about timelines and temperature, and inadvertently adds weight to the argument that global warming is liable to lead to large sea-level rises. ... Bolt's insight suggests that we might have already committed the planet to rises in sea level of about this magnitude. I hope he is wrong.
Bolt declares that I have a green hatred for our industrialised society. In my book I point out the dangers to the Australian economy of ignoring climate change, and also the opportunities for wealth creation inherent in the shift to the new low-emissions economy. The smart money is already on gas and the renewables, and all that is holding back a wealth-boom based on geothermal energy, gas, wind and solar is good government policy. Australia is exceptionally rich in these resources, and so stands to gain more than most other nations from making the shift. I don't doubt that Bolt loves our industrialised society as much as I do, but his deception on climate change threatens to damage our future wealth and wellbeing.
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Andrew Bolt appears not to know the first thing about climate change or that the debate has moved on: now everyone from BP to SwissRe has ceased arguing about the reality of climate change, and is now focused on what should be done about it.
British environmenalist George Monbiot has documented the four stages of denial experienced by the climate change nay-sayers.
1. First they said that climate change didn't exist.
2. Then that it wasn't caused by human activity.
3. As the proof of human involvement became overwhelming, they switched to saying that climate change would bring some benefits.
4. Now most are saying that it's simply too late to act to avert climate change, so let's do nothing.
Of course, they are dangerously wrong on all counts.
Andrew Bolt is still stuck in stage one of the denial game. He is, however, part of a shrinking and discredited minority - which has to be a good thing in a country that is still, per capita, the worst greenhouse polluter on the planet.
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