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Poll on Action on Global Warming

Ignore GW or Reduce it?

  • a) there is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 12 28.6%
  • b) there is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • c) there is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), but the matter is not urgent – ignore it

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • d) we should act to cut our CO2 – 5% now, 15% if USA, China and India come on board at Copenhagen

    Votes: 10 23.8%
  • e) ditto but with significantly higher cuts to CO2e output, more in step with Europe.

    Votes: 10 23.8%
  • f) other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 3 7.1%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
The poll seems to be exclusively an Aussie, from here, based philosophy.
I've had quite a lot of exchange of information with those at "Rising Tide", and of course their ideals are about 85% correct. The problem is money or/and what would replace coal and oil in the space of a few years - often they go quiet on this part of the discussion.

In general coalminers see about 30 to 40 years remaining for coal as the major energy in power stations and furnaces. Increasingly nuclear power will take over and all the other energies, the whole rag tag and bobtail, will provide a relatively small part of that.

One day all power will come from the sun, but that's too far away to consider as a major component as yet.
 
Fair call noirua

There is no immediate solution.

But hopefully 'carbon capture' is not a theory.
 
perhaps another option ...

just do it ! - in the interests of anti-pollution, anti-waste of resources, anti-waste of the environment,

pro forests, pro habitat, pro critters, pro-oceans, coral etc .....

or if you prefer, pro-awakening of man's understanding of the limitations of what this planet can sustain, population-wise and "development-wise" (= tar , cement and smokestacks?) clean up of the rivers, oceans, better use of fertilisers, more awareness of what we are doing , algael blooms in inland lakes in Austria for cryysake - certainly in the Nepean R in Sydney, where it's too poisonous to swim sometimes ...

or if you prefer, pro-innovation in the cleaner industries, pro-opportunity for Aussie bussinesses (provided they get their act together sooner rather than later - you can bet your life that to insist on staying with "the old", will only mean that you're passed by "the new" - in the same way that California has taken our recent solar generation plant and run with it - because we were too much into protecting "old ways")

... seize the momentum , join the world wide movement for a never again opportiunity to get some international cooperation and a new mindset.
 
I certainly think there is GW

even Summer is delayed and it feels like Winter in December!!
 
Global warming as a consequence of man's activities has become a new religion; it is impossible to sort the fact from the fiction.

Travelling to Tasmania over the weekend, I read that carbon released from bushfires is 3/4 of Tasmania's carbon output through industry. Given that bushfires, volcanoes etc are naturally occurring phenomena, maybe nature 'expects' it to occur? And that man's contribution is rather small.

Adelaide's annual temperature hasnt increased since the commencement of recording, so we should be excused from participating.

Global warming has also become the excuse for Governments to avoid the real reasons why the River Murray has been screwed - which is really overallocation upstream.
 
I do agree more should be done to cut emissions yes Gobal Warming.

More so the air we are breathing is so polluted.
Fish stocks are almost gone in many parts of the world.
Quality and access to basic water is diminishing whether through lack of facilities, over burdened resources, lack of rain.

Sydney is shocking. The number of asthmatic suffers is increasing and increasing at younger ages. As are skin conditions.

I've found when in the country my asthma clearups in a few days.

It will be interesting to see if we slow down that the changes may slow down or be steady for a while. Though there are other problems out there underway which need immediate addressing - what happened to the issue of Sydney not having enough water in the next few years? Haven't heard alot and with the credit crisis I doubt much will happen in the next year. When they had access to money and time like typical pollies they bicker. That is the way of most problems people are idle until it is an expensive difficult discussion.

Agree Prospector Part of the Murray Darling was siphened off and there has been less rain in the primary area too.
 
Of course Mr Rudd opted for (d) while keeping his fingers crossed and hoping that that Copenhagen talks are a failure. A bet each way; save a little face with the warmers while trying to do no real damage to the economy.
 
I do agree more should be done to cut emissions yes Gobal Warming.

More so the air we are breathing is so polluted.
Maybe move away from a big city?
Clean air here where I'm living.


Fish stocks are almost gone in many parts of the world.
Quality and access to basic water is diminishing whether through lack of facilities, over burdened resources, lack of rain.
A basic factor, often ignored here in Qld at least, is the dumb encouragement by the government of increased population when the water and other infrastructure has not kept pace.
 
 
Lets do some basic maths.....

There are fewer trees in the world every year. Any one that challenges that is nuts.

Increased poplulation let alone cars, electrical stations, fires, chimneys, have a increased Carbon emissions at an increased rate especially over th past 10 years. All humans expell carbon dioxide on each breath out. 6.8 billion minmium breathing each second.

Sorry but trees are the largest organ on earth turning carbon into oxygen.

Unless there are unlimited oxygen tanks in the future for each human the quality of oxygen is diminished.

You have a global problem. Whether you believe in global warming is actually besides the point. There is less vegetation on this earth period.

I wonder if any one has done a sciencific study on the quality of oxygen in the next 20 or 50 years??

I have children and care about their health and future.
 
We as a race have the ability to

1) cap population numbers
2) replenish food sources
3) use renewable energy sources
4) replenish forests
5) recycle/reuse everything man-made
6) use fresh water sparingly
7) keep the lands and waterways clean

the reasons we don`t and won`t

1) different groups have different ideologies
2) all wired to consume relentlessly
3) all wired with choice -- care versus don`t care
 


mmmmmm some plausible answers / questions?

1) Mandatory condoms or the V or tie after 1 or 2 perhaps?
2) Jesus is around with a fish basket just have to find him. Doesn’t have a share in this institution so should be a good bet he won't collapse.
3) Who is renewing enough?
4) Love the idea could you persuade the rest of the global to join in and guarantee perfect weather conditions for premium growth?
5)Yes I do try not sure about the rest of the global population
6) This could be your hardest. Showers medium warm at 3 mins good luck with teenagers
7) Which planet are you on? I'm all for this anyone care to join in and stop those noxious ignorant people dumping chemicals and waste.

1) True, Each to their own. May depend on if you have children, grandchildren, just want to make money and burn around in cars, lots of sex -takes energy to transform rubber into condoms etc, energy to drill the oil to make petrol for the car to get the doctor to hospital to assess you etc. Care about animals, the future, your meal in 2 years time.
2) How you consume is an individual practice. Guilt is an individual emotion.
3) Agree fully, those that care and don't care. Those that know and care but can't do much due to their surrounding lack of facilities or fully understanding. Does that care and try to teach others but are limited by the flip of paper - money to actually make a noticeable change. Does that can't process a world beyond their next hit for pure self-indulgence reasons
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If anyone's interested in the "vehemence" in discussions between WayneL and I on this stuff ... I'd probably say it goes back to this BBC Channel 4 show... The Great Global Warming Swindle (by Martin Durkin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

If anyone’s interested, I started off quite impressed by that show.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135445&highlight=fatalistic#post135445
refer post #14
2020 said:
Wayne - finally found time to listen to it all. Have to say I owe you a massive apology. Fantastic. In my defence as to my initial reaction ... it starts with what I consider to be a spindoctored twisted logic

However by post #16 on that thread I was getting real suspicious – when I discovered the NASA graph was nothing like what Durkins had quoted it to be etc

by post #109, I’d identified a number of "problems"
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=179638&highlight=durkin#post179638

ANYWAY, the first step in the sequence if anyone is interested in the arguments for and against that program (and if they haven't already seen it) is to watch that show, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" :-

 
Then came the ABC's program with discussion by panel of experts :-
Great Global Warming Swindle ABC Debates (in 9 parts)


In the end, I became of the opinion that the Great Global Warming Swindle was indeed a swindle in itself. And in any case the wise thing to do imo was / is to act on this. And the more I’ve read since, the more sure I am on that score.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
The film's original working title was "Apocalypse my ****",[4] but the title The Great Global Warming Swindle was later adopted


 
Might add this one here.
"Andrew Bolt is still stuck in stage one of the denial game".
Although written in 2005, I'd say that it's still the case. - but who knows, he changes his mind all the time. .
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/here-are-the-facts-bolt/2005/10/07/1128562994584.html

The scientist versus the columnist:
Tim Flannery says Andrew Bolt is in denial about climate change

the four stages of denial :-
 
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