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Cues? Why would the dole need to communicate to ... oh, do you mean queues?
Well, from what I gather from your extensive knowledge of grammar, and spelling - I'm going to guess that you're not a very substantial taxpayer, and that your "losses" from this expenditure will be quite minimal
Your continual negativity seems to support my theory, about you either facing hefty losses - or substantial amounts of stress. Either way, I am sorry; but these are not excuses to post pointless dribble.
P.S. Please learn to spell.
No problem with the concept. But how about building productive industry that will benefit the country in the long term rather than shopping centres and office blocks that we've already got plenty of?
Refineries and smelters to value add to the minerals we export now. Prices may be down, but aluminium will always be worth far more than the bauxite it's made from.
All sorts of other productive industries that actually produce something of value that we can sell overseas. Built with effectively free labour (we're going to pay them anyway...) it's virtually guaranteed to be profitable.
Roads, rail, ports, power etc to support the above.
Water infrastructure. I don't think anyone could argue about the need for that. Lots of things that could be done to help and they're all labour intensive to set up.
Broadband.
Renewable energy. Labour and interest costs are what makes it unviable compared to coal. But if we're handing out money to keep people employed anyway then we could build some very cheap power generation with that. Then use that to run exporting industry (an economic strategy that's worked in the past in various places (with either fossil or renewable energy)).
Shops and offices, things we'll be needing less of not more, seems an incredible waste compared to the alternatives.
As if somehow because people decided to get a credit card, or didn't save what you consider to be enough money, and instead bought a car or a house or something, that therefore they deserve to lose their jobs, house, be bankrupted, have their kids futures ruined etc etc. It really comes across as big chip on some peoples shoulders and that they are very bitter about something....
Just a thought - yes the construction will save jobs, but surely the construction would be better focussed on large capital intensive infrastructure projects that couldn't be possible without a mixture of public & private funding anyway?KEVIN Rudd will attempt to protect 50,000 construction jobs by creating a $4 billion partnership with the major banks to finance office buildings, shopping centres and other commercial property projects.
Taxpayers will provide $2 billion, with the remainder coming from the big four banks.
Read it from this link http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,24956236-462,00.html
Would this really save jobs?
Pointless comment.
Why are people so upset about this? It's a meagre 4 billion dollars, I don't get it
The fund, due to be up and running by March, will also be able to lend up to another $26 billion for commercial property projects, if required, by government guaranteed debt
Yes an unfortuantely it was the mindless majority who voted him in.
Yes unfortunetly I think thats the normal case. The majority vote governments in.
If Rudd did nothing he would be crucified. The Liberals would have been absolutely worse, do you think Merchant Malcolm would be holding money back from industry? He'd be throwing a party left right and centre, passing draconian laws.
Where is this $4bn even coming from?
Debt? Funny money? Slice of surplus?
Does anyone know? Or care?
gfresh, I'm pretty sure this will move the budget into deficit.How many billions does the gumbyment have anyhow? Seem to be handing them out like lollies at the moment. Soon the jar will be empty. Then what?
Building shopping centres in a recession doesn't seem to make much sense.No problem with the concept. But how about building productive industry that will benefit the country in the long term rather than shopping centres and office blocks that we've already got plenty of?
Yes to all the above.Refineries and smelters to value add to the minerals we export now. Prices may be down, but aluminium will always be worth far more than the bauxite it's made from.
All sorts of other productive industries that actually produce something of value that we can sell overseas. Built with effectively free labour (we're going to pay them anyway...) it's virtually guaranteed to be profitable.
Roads, rail, ports, power etc to support the above.
Water infrastructure. I don't think anyone could argue about the need for that. Lots of things that could be done to help and they're all labour intensive to set up.
Broadband.
Renewable energy. Labour and interest costs are what makes it unviable compared to coal. But if we're handing out money to keep people employed anyway then we could build some very cheap power generation with that. Then use that to run exporting industry (an economic strategy that's worked in the past in various places (with either fossil or renewable energy)).
Exactly.I think Smurf, and even MrBurns point out exactly the main point some of us who do not approve of supporting commercial developers. There are many other things which are a probably more important, such as providing a sustainable future, and even the basics such as schools, hospitals, and a good transport network which this money should go towards.
Of course it is, but that's what Rudd & Co are all about - short term popularity.And again, these are only temporary measures, as soon enough, these projects will be completed. It may allow the companies to stay afloat, but once these existing projects end, they definitely won't be making the mistake of going into too many more similar developments for a while until conditions improve. Then those construction-workers will be laid off *anyhow*. It is just delaying the process, not providing any long-term solution.
And in addition there is this ongoing philosophy of 'the gummint will bail you out'. This doesn't encourage a 'can do' attitude but rather fosters dependence.A recession ends when falling supply can no longer meet the demand, and eventually supply rises (production, construction) and we have a return to growth. By interfering with this, we may actually be stymieing this natural process, and drawing out recovery.
I agree, but it's difficult isn't it: consumption does keep the economy ticking over. We have for too long spent irrationally on stuff we don't actually need.In a way, yes... It's about time people saved more, and stop consuming overtly on things that provide all sorts of longer-term consequences which are already becoming an issue as they are becoming unsustainable. This actually provides a more stable base for the economy than running up more and more debt, which is not sustainable.
We've already seen the consequence of what happens to other countries who have followed this excess debt to fund consumption model (UK and US) right now, and surely we can do better than this.
Indeed. Instead we will get even more of Sam's Warehouse type rubbish.Can you imagine what $2bn subsidy for schools would do? $50m for green energy? $5bn on hospitals?
Fair go he's just doing what every Labor Govt does, spend money hand over fist that they didn't earn and when it's all gone they'll hand the whole mess back to the Libs to fix.
Aren't you rather misinterpreting the objections expressed on this thread?As usual the majority here harping on about Labor policy, conveniently ignoring the past 11 years which led us here. He has been tasked to try and prop the dam thing up. He was handed this basket case of an economy and without it going forward like it was it will be expensive.
Whats he to do... say, oh, the reality of the situation that the growth of the past was just imaginary? Joe publics not going to believe that? He has to try and keep it going.
$4 Billion, out of a trillion dollar economy? 4%, to help 50,000 jobs in a recession? Wow. What is this guy thinking.
This is another stupid economic decision by Mr. Rudd.
He is effectively propping up the over-leveraged private sector and masking it as a "keeping" jobs exercise.
If he announced a $4billion package to fill in the potholes, it would be money much better spent IMHO!
Most of us are simply saying the same money would be better spent on water infrastructure, hospitals, schools, roads etc than more unnecessary shopping centres.
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