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Dear JoeWhy does this have to happen time and time again?
If you find someone objectionable for some reason, as some clearly do, then just ignore them. There's even an ignore list you can use to filter out their posts. Simple.
What I personally find irritating - far more irritating than the posting style of any particular ASF member - is the way threads are taken off topic like this. What has been achieved by making personality and posting style an issue in this thread? Nothing, of course, other than taking it off topic.
If you find another ASF member irritating, tell your Mum, or your cat. I'm sure they'll care, or at least pretend to. But posting about it here serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever. This thread is evidence of what happens when people lack the self control to bite their tongue, take the high road, and move on.
If you have something of value to contribute, feel free to do so. Otherwise please have the courtesy to allow the discussion to continue unhindered by off topic remarks and personal slights.
Thank you!
Dear Joe
Thanks for your intervention.
Myis I already have followed to have one poster in my ignore list and when have an issue / or query which could be off topic with a particular poster then I write the poster a PM. It works and people are very courteous to reply and that includes you Joe . Thanks a lot.
One suggestion I may make to Mr God Father Avatarrolleyes that todays world is very sensitive on non issues. So if I am you, then will not make comments like 'mums and cats' . It could be seen as sexist, male chauvinist while comparing mum with cats leaving the other parent absent. Saying that for fun but my experience says we need to be carefully in referring genders. Sorry for the lecture .
It might be only a game to you, but it's very much not a game when you have the responsibility of generating a full living from invested capital in retirement.P.S. Stop arguing you all, it's only a game
What is the relevance, in itself, of ratio between winners and losers? If you have, say, ten stocks in your p/f and nine of them are winners, but one loser outweighs the combined profit of the nine, you're not overall profitable.While i could care less about "value" investing we do have some things in common.
i have found that over the last 7 years, given a 12 month time frame i have consistently chosen 1 loser for every 4 winners, so your 8 winners and 3 losers from 11 stocks is about right...cant win em all hey.
- No Stops
- Patience
- Long Term Outlook
Surely what counts is the overall % gain or loss on capital invested.
Burglar
Why do you insist on drilling your opinion in when Julia has adequatly explained why it's not a game to her and people like her.
Perhaps you mean---to you it's a game.
just got me self some popcorn haha. At least im not getting my head bashed in this time haha.
Tech, thanks for reviving the stop loss thread. I'll post up some backtest results when I get some time, we can continue the discussion there.
oh dear, my poor old thread is torn to bits!!
1. So what would you do then? You're retired, no alternative source of generating income.After all the worst that can happen is you lose all of your capital in a bad choice,
1. So what would you do then? You're retired, no alternative source of generating income.
2. Why would you so put all your capital at risk?
3. How are you guaranteeing all those multibaggers to make up for such a material loss?
Have a read through the Storm Financial thread for some understanding of the absolutely awful impact on investors of their losing everything. According to some of these people, there have been suicides, and long term severe depression.
Similar results in various publicly broadcast accounts of people who have, via crap investments, lost all their capital. Hardly something to regard lightly.
There's probably not much point in attempting to further contribute here, when the notion that generating an income for 30+ years from existing capital is not going to happen without proper management is dismissed as being too serious or irrelevant .
TPI, it would depend on the stock and the broad national and global environment at what % down I sold but I'd never let it go to 20%.Julia, when you talk about protecting capital, with your approach, if a stock you have been holding for many years and that has been providing you with a growing income stream falls in price by 10-20% over a 6 month period, for no fundamental reason other than a short-term change in sentiment or no obvious reason at all, would you have sold that stock in the interest of protecting capital? Either via a stop loss or just manually as you saw the change in share price trend? Just interested in your process.
TPI, it would depend on the stock and the broad national and global environment at what % down I sold but I'd never let it go to 20%.
The brokerage is a very small consideration and I'll always prefer to take the option of buying back in later if /when it turns round.
What you might initially assess as a short term change in sentiment might extend for some time, the downtrend becoming more pronounced in which case a small loss becomes a large loss.
1. So what would you do then? You're retired, no alternative source of generating income.
2. Why would you so put all your capital at risk?
3. How are you guaranteeing all those multibaggers to make up for such a material loss?
Have a read through the Storm Financial thread for some understanding of the absolutely awful impact on investors of their losing everything. According to some of these people, there have been suicides, and long term severe depression.
Similar results in various publicly broadcast accounts of people who have, via crap investments, lost all their capital. Hardly something to regard lightly.
There's probably not much point in attempting to further contribute here, when the notion that generating an income for 30+ years from existing capital is not going to happen without proper management is dismissed as being too serious or irrelevant .
Probably ZFX: Zinifex. It went from $1.80 in 2004 to over $18 in December 2006.If I remember rightly you did exactly that with a zinc stock
Can't remember what it was.
I'm not interested in the time. Just the price and the factors affecting it.Given the natural level of volatility most stocks display, does this approach preclude you from holding a stock for many, many years?
Example:Also, by doing so aren't you losing the income stream provided by the stock and then at least partly relying on savings or interest on savings to provide that income stream, and interest on savings may be at a much lower rate of return?
As long as total income is around twice what I need to live on, I have plenty of flexibility......relying on savings or interest on savings to provide that income stream,
It had to do with your statement about losing all the capital.Totally agree about the impact of these sort of events, not sure what that has to do with the point I was making, though!
I have said over and over that we will all do what suits us best.I am certainly not dismissing your approach as "too serious" or "irrelevant" - its just not for me!
Have you ever considered capital protected annuities? I don't know much about them... but a rough idea of what they are seems to fit a lot of the issues that you are focused on mitigating.As long as total income is around twice what I need to live on, I have plenty of flexibility.
As long as capital and profits are properly protected, I'm not focused on growing the capital. Enough is enough.
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