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explod said:
I have no doubt that this abhorrent mind had "Liberty" in his rambling manafesto.
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I don't know whether it does or it doesn't, but liberty doesn't just mean MY liberty or white man's liberty. It is liberty for all.

However there are a hierarchy of liberties. One's liberty has no right to impinge on another's. For instance; my liberty to camp in the middle of the street is subordinate to other's liberty of free thoroughfare. Ergo, camping in the middle of the street is not allowed.

IFocus said:
Wasn't meant to be nasty, I wasn't trying to connect Wayne to the actions of a nutter, it was meant to show a disconnect of a belief and conscience.
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Ok I'll accept that, but it wasn't obvious at the time.

A belief in liberty doesn't absolve one of bad behavior towards others on the site who turn up with different political view, at least I haven't seen that in Joe,s site commandments.
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What do you call bad behaviour? Disagreement with your doctrine? In case you haven't noticed, you have and have had equal right to air your opinions and political ideology robustly.... without those disagreeing with you trying to invoke site rules to shut you up.

Hate the sin, love the sinner and nobody is breaking any rules.

BTW I wouldn't think any one here would not believe in liberty, its certainly not defined by your political views or level social conscience.
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But socialist ideology is very much about impinging on individual liberties in favour of some collectivist ideal. That is not liberty.
 
which is why in his manifesto he identifies the left as the true enemy to his society and culture
 
disarray said:
which is why in his manifesto he identifies the left as the true enemy to his society and culture
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Yes, but obviously his MO left much to be desired.

It will most likely turn out to have been counter-productive.
 
i agree. but as for the counter-productive bit, his manifesto is much deeper than it would appear at first glance (or that the media and its usual emotional response would touch upon). reactions such as the greens calling for limits to free speech by banning right wing blogs actually support his views (and yours) and could very well cause a rise in "right wing" / libertarian activism
 
disarray said:
his views (and yours) and could very well cause a rise in "right wing" / libertarian activism
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do your research before posting replies like this... libertarianism is neither left nor right wing... it is the belief that you should be free to do whatever you want to do, provided that what you do does not infringe upon on the rights of other people to do the same.

the complete opposite of both nazi'ism (the extreme right) and communism (the extreme left)... frequently we are labeled "right" by the left and "left" by the right.

my personal belief is that the left Vs right political status quo is complete bullsh*t, just a fabricated situation to keep the people divided and in a constant state of conflict so we are distracted from what/who is really screwing us over!
 
i know what libertarianism is bandicoot. i didn't associate it with the right wing, you just read my response that way.
 
disarray said:
i know what libertarianism is bandicoot. i didn't associate it with the right wing, you just read my response that way.
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apolagies if i took your post in the wrong context, i saw the "right wing/libertarian" part of your quote as linking the two ideologies under the same banner rather than meaning 'and/or'.

those people opposed to libertarian principles are supporting authoritarian/totalitarian rule by proxy (or apathy)
 
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