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Oslo Bombed, Children Massacred

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Ahh it is obvious now. trainspotter you are actually a Norwegian inmate

moXJO said:
His issues seem to be:
Multiculturalism (big bug up his ass about this)
Marxism is overtaking western society

Islam
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Just add anthropogenic global warming to that list and you have covered three quarters of the General Chat at ASF.
 
derty said:
Ahh it is obvious now. trainspotter you are actually a Norwegian inmate


Just add anthropogenic global warming to that list and you have covered three quarters of the General Chat at ASF.
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Wait are you making fun of us conservatives
Too soon derty.... Too soon
Yeah I think he did mention GW actually. also recommended moving to Australia and NZ if TSHTF as well. Might get a surprise when they get here .

Media should be labeling him more as a Child killer and playing down his manifesto. Seen to many comments supporting his stance and ignoring the fact he is a loon that traded children’s lives for his own selfish political stance.
 



Yes at the end of the day the guy is a nutjob and murderer. I can't really fathom how someone can commit these acts and not be insane by some measure.
 
derty said:


Yes at the end of the day the guy is a nutjob and murderer. I can't really fathom how someone can commit these acts and not be insane by some measure.
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Maybe because he's considered a psychopath, such definition not usually being considered a 'mental illness' but rather a personality disorder.
 
IFocus said:
...The joker was a right wing nutter it remains to see if he became more unhinged by the shrill that comes from the claims people like you are so fond on making.
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No words of sympathy for the people in Norway, IFocus?

I think you (or other labor people here at ASF) have called many of us "right wing nutters" before now. Do you really think there are millions of people ready to slaughter other humans? Get real.

I have always considered the "right wing nutters" more in a teasing context. But to try and line up the other side of politics with this psychopath is unbelievably low and offensive to the human race in general. Shame on you.

I think the coldness and almost heartlessness we are seeing in a supposed effort to defame the right from articles and on forums is far a more worrying trait. What have we come to?

Labor must be desperate if this is the latest idea to use such a terrible tragedy for political point scoring.

IFocus, have you heard anyone from the right jumping up and down with excitement that so many labor families have been so afflicted? NO. If anything, the right see these Norwegian people as human first regardless of their politics.
 

Not to mention utterly offensive to your's truly.

I note also that IF has been unable to answer my question in response to that appalling gutter level snipe.

One particular colloquialism regarding snakes and relative levels of body regions comes to mind.
 
derty said:
Ahh it is obvious now. trainspotter you are actually a Norwegian inmate
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I am ?? How did I get dragged into this? Doesn't look like me at all? I have a hairy chest and big feet so it can't be me derty.

Ifocus ..... you just make me wanna
 
Threads get funny when someone stirs
 
Sails I was refuting the usual over blown implications from this post nothing more.

To me it clearly represents the issues around this http://crooksandliars.com/breaking-news/az-democratic-congresswoman-shot-eve

When the inference is that Explode supports or is aligned the to the despots named then surely that's wrong.

I note that's seems to have been missed.

As for the comments about the breakdown of family and tradition then I regret my response as its clearly not a serious debate.






 
+1, Sails. Very appropriate comments.

IFocus said:
As for the comments about the breakdown of family and tradition then I regret my response as its clearly not a serious debate.
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I can't think of anything that would constitute a more serious debate.
By all means indulge in your political point scoring where you can. Heaven knows you have few enough opportunities.
But to do it in the context of the Norwegian massacre is in hideous taste.
 

And you seem to have totally missed that Plods poorly thought out inference was that Blevik's actions were somehow symptomatic of industrialization and capitalism. My riposte was to show that there are plenty of murderers flying the socialist/communist banner and how ludicrous his comment was.

You lept to your comrade's defense with a multiplication of these vile inferences that

1/ I am some sort of Nazi
2/ That I (or people like me) am somehow responsible for encouraging Blevik's actions.

It was utterly offensive and way off base and clearly you can't see your faux pas. Is your mind that putrid that you do not realize this?
 
I feel there are a number of things we are all agreed on.

That the killing of innocents such as this in an undeclared war for political gain is heinous.

That the killing of children in the pursuit of ideology is heinous.

That the parents and friends of all the people killed in Norway by this monster are experiencing unimaginable grief.

That the monster is a monster, first and foremost, and that his ideology is complicit in his monstrous crime.

That is where agreement seems to cease.

For debate, and inappropriate at the moment is whether that ideology is shared by others, and whether or not it has parallels in conventional thought and ideals, and whether or not his actions are repeatable by an unhinged minority. With time, and respecting the grief of those grieving, this is reasonable to discuss.

For further debate is whether other ideologies who seem to value little, human life, can afford to take the high ground against their ideological foes as a consequence of this monster's actions.

I haven't named him, and that should be his punishment, a universal agreement that his name will be expunged from the history of humanity.

gg
 

You shouldn't be too hard on poor old Plod. If you search his ramblings you will sometimes find a grain of sense;

On all sides it is the extreme nutters who spoil the party
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Maybe he was referring to Brown and Milne.
 

To quote your self " a straw mans argument" the irony........
 
IFocus said:
To quote your self " a straw mans argument" the irony........
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A straw man argument is creating a false premise as a diversion from the topic at hand. Not applicable at all here.

And you still don't get that you have crossed the line.
 
Andrew Bolt had a bit to say on the apparent gloating from the left that the killer states he a conservative christian (even though his evil deeds are not remotely like anything genuinely conservative or christian e.g. the Salvos).

But it seems that the left are hanging off his every word in an effort to denigrate, implicate and even hold culpable anyone or group mentioned by this deluded nutter. It doesn't say much for the intelligence of those participating in this from the left, imo.

And, I have noticed a strange lack of sympathy for these young people from labor party families from the left. Instead we have seen this strange gloating. And yet, many from the right have expressed sympathy and horror with no thought of the differences in politics. These Norwegian people are humans first and foremost.

From Bolt:


Full article here from the Herald Sun: Column - Playing with the blood of the dead

and more from Bolt's blog with links to a couple of other articles:

On giving a mad murderer dangerous credit
 
wayneL said:
A straw man argument is creating a false premise as a diversion from the topic at hand. Not applicable at all here.

And you still don't get that you have crossed the line.
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We are products of our Parents and to a large degree their immediate influence. As we mature it is the education we recieve and the predominant social environment that will shape our general direction.

However the level of our social set and education is that which determines most of the goals we may aspire too.

Some kids have no chance and others have every chance; and on this point what is the point of blaming the individual, to cure such we need to look at the causes then identify a way to cure the desease itself. The powers that be, political, religious the State/Crown, control individuals within these spheres.

Prior to the industrial revolution, in the so called evolved human world, it was the Kings and rulers. The workers and servants finally figured they were getting a raw deal so they stormed the bastille so to speak and the rest of that is history up to a point.

Earnings and the accumulation of money became the way but it was not long before the good operators rose to the top and took control monetarily. ie. the Rothchilds et al.

So with industrialisation and capitalism "all men are not equal and some are much more not equal than others

This has then steamed up the indians again and there are renewed and bitter struggles between the different idiologies; the Muslims and hallelujah's are just some. Due to growing poverty around the world now, this hate is growing more intense. (tell me about it, even on ASF it seems)

Too many people, not enough land to feed and shelter them. What has the expansionist system, accellerated by the industrial revolution and capitalism, done?

Nothing but destroy.

The new age did lead in education for all in many developed countries and there were many great years, and the old Columbo Plan tried to advance from this angle into the third world too. However politicians led by big business could not make a buck out of that so instead the natives were introduced to alcohol, cigarettes and fights against so called communism (vietnam) and the war on Terror Irak (he he, the wrong place) and we could go on.

And dont you worry about ole plod at all. Attended a Greens meeting on Tusday and has been busy writing more important things.

This nut who shot down these young people in my view would have grown up with the silver spoon in the mouth, allowed from a young age to play war games and quite probably given a very narrow right wing view of politics, perhaps even impressed by the antics of JWB.

We will probably never know and of course but there will always be extreme exceptions to every rule, but a world based first and formost on materialist values will not lead to good social values and respect for each other.
 

What absolute rubbish, as having had something to do with the aftermarth of Hoddle Street you have no idea of how much I feel the pain for those families.

However dwelling on that point in the clear light of day may well cloud one from looking and trying to understand why it occurred in the first place. Why wont the world ask the questions to try to solve them. And they are deep seated social questions which can only be answered by research and education in these spheres.
 
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