Osama Bin Laden Dead?

[wayneL]

It would have been nicer to provide a dictionary from Urdu to English.

Any way I found the English version of Aljazeera in your link http://english.aljazeera.net/

The English version is sanitized, that's why I said not the English version.

Use a translator. Google Chrome just automatically asks you if you want it translated.

 

[Tink]

You are never quite sure what to believe with the US after all that happened with the war. They would be fools to be lying about something like this.

Must admit was abit skeptical at the start as seemed to be alot of people

Either way, nothings really going to change.

 

[Logique]

These are the days of satellite imagery, cameras and video recording in mobile phones, and of govt leaks. And why risk the credibility of a President and the US Govt by faking anything.

I think it probably played out in the manner reported.

 

[Calliope]

I think it probably played out in the manner reported.

Which version?

 

[bellenuit]

Which version?

I read an article yesterday that said the original version was incorrect on purpose. This was when they said OSL reached for a gun and that he used his wife as a shield. This was later changed to him being unarmed and his wife rushing at the Seals when shot. According to the article, psychological studies have shown that when a story is changed from a "good" version to a "not so good" version, people tend to retain the feelings they had after hearing the "good" original version, even though they now accept the corrected version as being true.

 

[joea]

I think this Bin Laden is more than a operation to take out one person.
What I think is behind it is:
1 Take out Bin Laden.
2 Show up the government that knew he was there.
3 Suggest that this country is not acting responsibale with USA aid.
4 Reduce the aid that is being absorbed by corruption, to this country.
5 Indicate to other countary's getting aid. and hiding terrorists, the same will
apply.
6. Continue to withdraw a % of USA foreign from these countries.
7. Reduce foreign aid, and redirect to USA.
One thing I believe is, there is more behind the scene.

Cheers

 

[Sean K]

He must be dead because he would have popped up somehow by now to say :

Or, he's been captured, and in custody somewhere?

The reasons for not providing proof of death are pretty ordinary really. How quick were they to slap up photos of Sadam's kids and himself etc...

 

[trainspotter]

Finally some proof of his demise.

 

[builder2818]

Who is to say Bin Laden even did the stuff he did...? I reckon this whole thing is just the US making up crap and lies to justify all the atrocities they inflict on the world. Their claims to Osama being buried at sea and "where not going to show you the photo, take our word for it" is just as ridiculous as the JFK assassination.

The US will have people believe anything so they can have an excuse to cause a war or invade another country. Did you see the size of the place Bin Laden was hiding in. They couldn't have been looking for him for 10 years and not see this huge fortress and not think - "I wonder what this big building is used for".

I see this garbage as either two things - one is for the US to create a new terrorist leader who will all of a sudden come out of the woods and try to avenge Bin Ladens death and will inflict a terrible thing on innocent people and then US will be forced to invade their country - at this stage I am thinking it will be IRAN and the new terrosirt leader will turn out to be one of Bin Laden's sons when he grows up.

My other idea is that the US had stated that the point of their invasion of afghanistan was to find Osama. So now since they have "killed" him they need to get the hell out of Afghanistan surely - but the reason why they have probably made up all this BS is because of the level of debt they are in and they probably can't afford to keep funding this war. As stoopid as Bush was, he managed to spend more money then every president that ever served before him combined and this idiot they have in now has spent more money then every president combined before him including Bush.

I am so over America and the garbage they come up with.....I hope they go through a bigger economic depression then Japan ever will or has.

 

[noco]

If for their own reason the Americans have not shown his body, is it not possible he may have been taken alive?
Bin Ladin would most certainly be more valuable alive than dead, but if his followers believed he was alive, they go all out to retrieve him.
Then again I could be wrong.

 

[wayneL]

I am so over America and the garbage they come up with.....I hope they go through a bigger economic depression then Japan ever will or has.

So you don't differentiate between the American government and the average schlepper in the street?

 

[Sean K]

Who is to say Bin Laden even did the stuff he did...? I reckon this whole thing is just the US making up crap and lies to justify all the atrocities they inflict on the world. Their claims to Osama being buried at sea and "where not going to show you the photo, take our word for it" is just as ridiculous as the JFK assassination.

The US will have people believe anything so they can have an excuse to cause a war or invade another country. Did you see the size of the place Bin Laden was hiding in. They couldn't have been looking for him for 10 years and not see this huge fortress and not think - "I wonder what this big building is used for".

I see this garbage as either two things - one is for the US to create a new terrorist leader who will all of a sudden come out of the woods and try to avenge Bin Ladens death and will inflict a terrible thing on innocent people and then US will be forced to invade their country - at this stage I am thinking it will be IRAN and the new terrosirt leader will turn out to be one of Bin Laden's sons when he grows up.

My other idea is that the US had stated that the point of their invasion of afghanistan was to find Osama. So now since they have "killed" him they need to get the hell out of Afghanistan surely - but the reason why they have probably made up all this BS is because of the level of debt they are in and they probably can't afford to keep funding this war. As stoopid as Bush was, he managed to spend more money then every president that ever served before him combined and this idiot they have in now has spent more money then every president combined before him including Bush.

I am so over America and the garbage they come up with.....I hope they go through a bigger economic depression then Japan ever will or has.

I think you may find the the general idea about Al Qaeda deliberately killing many innocent people and Osama being their leader may be close to the truth.

Agree with the provide proof point, of course.

On the invasion of Afghanistan, we went in to destroy Al Qaeda who were being harboured and supported by the Taliban. Al Qaeda has been defeated in Afghanistan but we have somehow changed the mission to destroy the Taliban, which is not quite right imo.

However, if we leave now, what happens?

 

[builder2818]

I think you may find the the general idea about Al Qaeda deliberately killing many innocent people and Osama being their leader may be close to the truth.

Agree with the provide proof point, of course.

On the invasion of Afghanistan, we went in to destroy Al Qaeda who were being harboured and supported by the Taliban. Al Qaeda has been defeated in Afghanistan but we have somehow changed the mission to destroy the Taliban, which is not quite right imo.

However, if we leave now, what happens?

If they leave now what happens? It will just be another war America fought and lost where 100s of thousands of their men died for nothing.

 

[Sean K]

If they leave now what happens? It will just be another war America fought and lost where 100s of thousands of their men died for nothing.

builder, I think we may have went for the right reason. Remember those planes flying in to those buildings? 100s of 1000s? It hasn't been for 'nothing'.

 

[Glen48]

oohhhhum just another war over religion for God's sake

USA has 700 military bases around the world, in the cold war era thay have 6 B52 flying 24/7 for 40 years work out the flybuy point there as well as the $$$$$ and this is just one case maybe they realise the bank card is maxed out and time to get out and looking for reasons.

 

[Sean K]

oohhhhum just another war over religion for God's sake

USA has 700 military bases around the world, in the cold war era thay have 6 B52 flying 24/7 for 40 years work out the flybuy point there as well as the $$$$$ and this is just one case maybe they realise the bank card is maxed out and time to get out and looking for reasons.

It's the religious fundamentalism from the other team that has led to this.

You'd be speaking Japanese, or dead, if not for the US, Glen.

 

[builder2818]

It's the religious fundamentalism from the other team that has led to this.

You'd be speaking Japanese, or dead, if not for the US, Glen.

Unlike the US, Australia has won many wars they went to the aid of for the dopey yanks. I hate the fact they are over in the desert fighting for a war I believe the US government created. I served with one of the engineer soldiers who was killed last year. As disappointing as it is that we seemed to get a lot of hand me down equipment from the US for our military, only people as stoopid as america would need to have the words printed in big letters on their claymore bombs "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" in case they forget which way to set their bombs.

Those planes going into the buildings....I remember that, but instead of believing the stories the media and the government have us believe, I choose to believe in the scientific evidence that proves that the planes couldn't have brought down buildings of that size the way they did. But the masses are used to believing in stuff they read like some guy called JC - They believe in him without seeing actual proof of a body so I guess the story of Bin Laden's body isn't isn't as ridiculous as the bible.

And I no longer serve in the army but I have been building high rises for the last 6 years and the evidence found at the crash site leaves a lot to wonder about. But just like trading, people are sheep and follow the herd I guess.

 

[Sean K]

Unlike the US, Australia has won many wars they went to the aid of for the dopey yanks. I hate the fact they are over in the desert fighting for a war I believe the US government created. I served with one of the engineer soldiers who was killed last year. As disappointing as it is that we seemed to get a lot of hand me down equipment from the US for our military, only people as stoopid as america would need to have the words printed in big letters on their claymore bombs "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" in case they forget which way to set their bombs.

Those planes going into the buildings....I remember that, but instead of believing the stories the media and the government have us believe, I choose to believe in the scientific evidence that proves that the planes couldn't have brought down buildings of that size the way they did. But the masses are used to believing in stuff they read like some guy called JC - They believe in him without seeing actual proof of a body so I guess the story of Bin Laden's body isn't isn't as ridiculous as the bible.

And I no longer serve in the army but I have been building high rises for the last 6 years and the evidence found at the crash site leaves a lot to wonder about. But just like trading, people are sheep and follow the herd I guess.

I've laid a claymore and agree that we should follow the instructions and face it toward the enemy. The rest, well....

 

[Julia]

Who is to say Bin Laden even did the stuff he did...?

After the event, he claimed responsibility. But perhaps you think this was falsified also?

The US will have people believe anything so they can have an excuse to cause a war or invade another country. Did you see the size of the place Bin Laden was hiding in. They couldn't have been looking for him for 10 years and not see this huge fortress and not think - "I wonder what this big building is used for".

Yes, impossible to disagree with this, especially re Pakistan claiming no knowledge of bin Laden's presence.

I see this garbage as either two things - one is for the US to create a new terrorist leader who will all of a sudden come out of the woods and try to avenge Bin Ladens death and will inflict a terrible thing on innocent people and then US will be forced to invade their country

That's a justifiable conclusion. Or it could be much less complicated and simply as it has been presented to us. Most people will form their view re what they believe on the basis of their existing beliefs. e.g. you are clearly unprepared to believe in anything other than ulterior and machiavellian motives on the part of the US.

My other idea is that the US had stated that the point of their invasion of afghanistan was to find Osama. So now since they have "killed" him they need to get the hell out of Afghanistan surely - but the reason why they have probably made up all this BS is because of the level of debt they are in and they probably can't afford to keep funding this war.

Again, an hypothesis which will find favour with many. But how does this stack up against the US administration's avowed intent to stick with their originally planned withdrawal from Afghanistan? Wouldn't they instead have taken the perfect opportunity to say "OK, folks, now we can get the hell out of Afghanistan."?

I am so over America and the garbage they come up with.....I hope they go through a bigger economic depression then Japan ever will or has.

Really? So you will happily wish misery on all the ordinary Americans who have had no choice about what their politicians decide?
It's also a very short-sighted and rather silly point of view when you consider the global ramifications if any such depression were to afflict the USA, Australia being very much included.

Al Qaeda has been defeated in Afghanistan but we have somehow changed the mission to destroy the Taliban, which is not quite right imo.

However, if we leave now, what happens?

Don't know. Perhaps nothing more than some American and allied lives are not wasted? Is it at this stage our responsibility what happens?
Aren't we being told the centre of planning for terrorism has now moved to e.g. Yemen and Pakistan (if we should believe that: I don't know).

If they leave now what happens? It will just be another war America fought and lost where 100s of thousands of their men died for nothing.

builder, I think we may have went for the right reason. Remember those planes flying in to those buildings? 100s of 1000s? It hasn't been for 'nothing'.

The desire for revenge in almost any form is, I suppose, understandable. But what was the logic here? Why bomb a whole country including thousands of innocent civilians, on the flimsy basis that bin Laden was supposed to be hiding out in some obscure region of the country? It simply made no sense, or if there was some sense, it has eluded me. Happy to be enlightened.

 

[moXJO]

No wonder no one trusts the US