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Did you actually read the post about the recently commissioned UAE nuclear plant, that I posted yesterday?THAT SIMPLY ISNT ACCURATE. If in fact Nuclear Power stations were become more cost effective and easier to build - then we wouldn't be seeing the lived examples of current Nuclear Power builds running wildly over cost and time.
A far as the "massive footprint" of other renewable power sources ? What is the relevance to Australia ? Of all places we have sufficient space to build these systems. That's an irrelevant distraction.
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As I pointed out at least twice recently, why is it that so many other countries are turning to or already turned to nuclear supply?THAT SIMPLY ISNT ACCURATE. If in fact Nuclear Power stations were become more cost effective and easier to build - then we wouldn't be seeing the lived examples of current Nuclear Power builds running wildly over cost and time.
There is no reason they would shut down renewable investment, the only suggestion is firming capacity, which either comes from hydro or nuclear as you yourself have already acknowledged.
Ok i'll pose another question, if Australia's economic base is to grow, the load grows with it.
Therefore where do we get the further firming that is required as it grows, more and more hydro dams? Think about 50 years time if we do build a manufacturing base again and we do process more and more minerals, the load growth and with it the firming requirement growth will be exponential. So what do we do? put in 50 Snowy 2.0's.
Let's get real, this isn't a static issue, our population has grown by a couple of million recently, that wont stay static. We are talking about processing green hydrogen, green steel, green iron ore, green aluminium FFS as that grows so does the firming demand and we haven't got any serious long duration firming at all yet.
Let's be honest there are heaps of people against Snowy 2.0 and we will need lot's and lot's more, what are people not understanding? It is dumb $hit, I can understand some going on about nuclear because they have skin in the game, but no one is mentioning where the alternative is coming from.
Even Japan has re started its nuclear programme, look I'm not all for nuclear, I just want someone to fess up where the long duration firming is coming from, that will enable our economy to grow.
Well, I have asked an expert, and will be interested in his reply.You seem to be full quids on nuclear technology, hydro is a lot easier, so you shouldn't have any trouble explaining how much we need.
There is no reason they would shut down renewable investment, the only suggestion is firming capacity, which either comes from hydro or nuclear as you yourself have already acknowledged.
You could be right, but just on a technical basis, using nuclear as firming for the grid and a replacement for coal/gas is very doable (forgetting politics, costs, waste, ideology etc).No, actually the reason the LNP is going nuclear is to placate the farmers who don't want wind farms or power lines in their neighbourhoods, so it's pretty obvious that those renewable plans will be scrapped, so it's really spending all our money to satisfy a few.
BTW , one or 2 reactors to satisfy energy intensive industries could be beneficial, but for the whole grid, I don't think so.
Once again the politics cloud the waters.Well, I have asked an expert, and will be interested in his reply.
Can you actually tell me how many nuclear reactors will be needed to satisfy demand WITHOUT the continuation of renewables and how much they will cost?
Ok where is Albo's firming going to come from, gas isn't a long term option, so where is it going to come from.FFS it wont come from nuclear Duttons plans are for 3% to 15% of the power required how is that going to firm up storage?
Answer is wont.
As the article above states its a gas plan but then where is that gas coming from?
But Duttons plan cost zillions for what?
Get over the Coalition love in and get real
There are some farmers who get paid for having wind farms on their land who are all in favour of them, it's the ones that don't who are complaining on "visual pollution" issues.Once again the politics cloud the waters.
Why do you insist there that there will be no more renewables, other than your obvious dislike for the LNP?
Why must they be mutually exclusive?
Firstly, the problem is not so much the renewables, its the new transmission lines across their land that are getting up the noses of famers.
Why not put a nuclear plant were to be placed at Yallourn where the infrastructure for upping to high voltage transmission is already in place.
Like everyone else, farmers need consistent supply like everyone else.
Its just that as so often happens, they are the ones who end up having to make the comprises.
Mick
I will go back through @Smurf1976 numbers and come up with a back of the napkin for you.Well, I have asked an expert, and will be interested in his reply.
Can you actually tell me how many nuclear reactors will be needed to satisfy demand WITHOUT the continuation of renewables and how much they will cost?
I would like to see some evidence of the visual pollution meme.There are some farmers who get paid for having wind farms on their land who are all in favour of them, it's the ones that don't who are complaining on "visual pollution" issues.
Watch 4Corners on 10th June to see some evidence.I would like to see some evidence of the visual pollution meme.
Some of the proposals require an 80 metre easement across properties.
They are more likely to be complaining because of loss of available productive land, disagreements over liability, access issues, and fears of fire hazard risksf rom sparking power lines.
For some farmers raising bio secure livestock or running certified organic produce, it would make them unviable.
Mick
You could be right, but just on a technical basis, using nuclear as firming for the grid and a replacement for coal/gas is very doable (forgetting politics, costs, waste, ideology etc).
I'm going to plagiarise the info to try and get it as accurate a picture as possible.Well, I have asked an expert, and will be interested in his reply.
Can you actually tell me how many nuclear reactors will be needed to satisfy demand WITHOUT the continuation of renewables and how much they will cost?
Units operational | 4 x 1345 MW |
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Make and model | APR-1400 |
Nameplate capacity | 5600 MW |
Eraring:From what @Smurf has mentioned Eraring is listed at 16TWh but nameplate is 20TWh.
Two things about this one really.I would prefer a mix.
Hydro is fine if there is enough water.
There have been periods of prolonged drought, some like the millenium drought in 2001 to 2009 lasting multiple seasons.
Tasmania, which has a large resource of hydro, in both 2007 and 2016 had severe drought that threatened to curtail power supplies.
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