NBN Rollout Scrapped

NBNMyths · 4 April 2013

drsmith said:
The ACCC isn't happy with the NBN's pricing and access proposals and in return, NBN Co isn't too happy with the ACCC's response,

It will be interesting to see how that pans out.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/accc_rejects_nbn_access_terms_gayb16gc7op6VZb37ASDlM

I have no issue with the ACCC ensuring the SAU provides the best possible outcome for consumers. And I can understand their desire to do so given the experience with Telstra. We don't want a repeat of that.

I'm a little confused by your statement that "NBN Co isn't too happy with the ACCC's response", given the quote from NBN Co. It certainly doesn't sound to me as though they are unhappy:

“We appreciate that the ACCC has a challenging task in balancing the views of a range of stakeholders in order to achieve a framework that is in the long-term interests of end users,” NBN Co head of regulatory affairs, Caroline Lovell, said in a statement. “We will continue to engage with industry and the ACCC as the remaining issues are resolved to ensure that an appropriate balance is achieved.”

Oh, and Caliope, my only reputation is that of an on-the-record NBN advocate.

drsmith · 4 April 2013

NBNMyths said:
I'm a little confused by your statement that "NBN Co isn't too happy with the ACCC's response", given the quote from NBN Co. It certainly doesn't sound to me as though they are unhappy:

“We appreciate that the ACCC has a challenging task in balancing the views of a range of stakeholders in order to achieve a framework that is in the long-term interests of end users,” NBN Co head of regulatory affairs, Caroline Lovell, said in a statement. “We will continue to engage with industry and the ACCC as the remaining issues are resolved to ensure that an appropriate balance is achieved.”

It would appear they didn't appreciate the ACCC's perspective in their original submission and now want to
negotiate somewhat as equals.

Calliope · 4 April 2013

NBNMyths said:
Oh, and Caliope, my only reputation is that of an on-the-record NBN advocate.

Just as I thought...and now it is in tatters along with that of your party.

TheAbyss · 4 April 2013

Calliope said:
Just as I thought...and now it is in tatters along with that of your party.

Any chance you can take your running battle to another room and concentrate on NBN here? Appears to be a lot of playing the man.

drsmith · 4 April 2013

The AFR is certainly giving it a lot of stick,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/nbn_at_war_with_contractors_UY69p5MzeTv96l8E0MoVpL

Calliope · 4 April 2013

TheAbyss said:
Any chance you can take your running battle to another room and concentrate on NBN here? Appears to be a lot of playing the man.

Not that it's any of your business, but I have nothing further to say to Myths. I have already proved my point. If he continues his diatribes take it up with him.

boofhead · 5 April 2013

Calliope: I don't know if you actually read what you write but all you have proved is you dislike some things but have no proved anything relating to the NBN or NBNMyths. Nothing but poor personal attacks. You know, the Gillard style attacks on Abbott - nothing of substance just personal attacks. RAGE!

The Age has a recent story on it. Talking to some experts in the field. Interestingly Turnball things wireless is the future yet the Coalition are investing in wired. He also invests in telcos overseas that are investing in wired. The mouth is saying something different to actions and planned actions. FUD.

Also of note NBN is reporting revenues in the millions now.

Calliope · 5 April 2013

boofhead said:
Calliope: I don't know if you actually read what you write but all you have proved is you dislike some things but have no proved anything relating to the NBN or NBNMyths. Nothing but poor personal attacks. You know, the Gillard style attacks on Abbott - nothing of substance just personal attacks. RAGE!.

Sorry if I have upset you Boof, but as I said, I have no further interest in The NBN or NBNMyths, having proved my point.

noco · 8 April 2013

Is this another Labor Party "WHITE ELEPHANT"? One which looks like costing twice as much as Labor's original estimate.

Conroy and his superiiors will no doubt endeavour to conceal the truth at all costs leading up to the election.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/busin...0-billion-report/story-fn7kjcme-1226614710571

NBNMyths · 8 April 2013

noco said:
Is this another Labor Party "WHITE ELEPHANT"? One which looks like costing twice as much as Labor's original estimate.

Conroy and his superiiors will no doubt endeavour to conceal the truth at all costs leading up to the election.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/busin...0-billion-report/story-fn7kjcme-1226614710571

So we are accepting the Coalition's leaked policy document as providing a factual costing of the NBN are we, despite the fact that their estimate isn't based on any evidence that it will cost more than the budget?

We have numerous international builds costing similar amounts to the NBN. We have costings from KPMG-McKinsey of $43bn, we have NBN Co's costings of $37bn, which were assessed as "reasonable" by Greenhill-Caliburn.

Even Turnbull can't make up his mind. He's been saying $50bn for a year or two. Then he said $80bn about a month ago, $100bn at a Blue Mountains community forum 3 weeks ago, and $90bn today.

Is he just making up an appropriately scary number depending on the audience?

drsmith · 8 April 2013

Stephen Conroy caught with red underpants on his own head.

An Australian National Audit Office spokesman confirmed the office had not audited the corporate plan.

"We audit the financial statements so the expenditures of NBN are properly recorded,'' he said.

"While we make reference to the corporate plan, we don't audit the corporate plan.''

Senator Conroy told Sky News this afternoon he had made mistake and mis-spoke, meaning to say the annual report and not the corporate plan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...0-billion-report/story-e6frg6n6-1226614710571

NBNMyths · 8 April 2013

drsmith said:
Stephen Conroy caught with red underpants on his own head.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...0-billion-report/story-e6frg6n6-1226614710571

It was Greenhill-Caliburn that audited the corporate plan.

noco · 8 April 2013

NBNMyths said:
So we are accepting the Coalition's leaked policy document as providing a factual costing of the NBN are we, despite the fact that their estimate isn't based on any evidence that it will cost more than the budget?

We have numerous international builds costing similar amounts to the NBN. We have costings from KPMG-McKinsey of $43bn, we have NBN Co's costings of $37bn, which were assessed as "reasonable" by Greenhill-Caliburn.

Even Turnbull can't make up his mind. He's been saying $50bn for a year or two. Then he said $80bn about a month ago, $100bn at a Blue Mountains community forum 3 weeks ago, and $90bn today.

Is he just making up an appropriately scary number depending on the audience?

Myths to the rescue once again but you have over looked the fact that Conroy has admotted false claims, also it is not just the Coalition but Macquarie Bank doing some costing as well.

If Rudd said it would complete by 2013 and now Gillard says 2021, how you do expect the cost to remain the same and even worse if it lingers on until 2027?

sptrawler · 8 April 2013

Just show me some government project that hasn't blown up in their faces in the last 6 years.
River City Motorway, Bris Connect, Connect East, Shutting down brown coal fired power stations, Re fitting power stations to burn bio fuel.

Notice I didn't mention really botched plans, I didn't think it was required.

There is very few large scale projects that don't run, overtime and over budget.
Just check out BHP's magnetite nickel project in SW of WA, or Sino steels Citi Pacific foray into the NW of WA.

The problem with Government funded blowouts is, the government just keeps pouring money in.
Whereas someone like BHP, will just pull the pin and write off the loss.
It all seems to become personal when it is Government funded and there is no accountability for losses or expenditure.
It then becomes, the government saying yes we can. The opposition saying no you can't. Then the contractor saying of course we can, just sign here.

Not having a go at the NBN, but I've allways said the money would be better spent on sustainable infrastructure.
It's a huge project, that would probably end up in tears for a switched on engineering company, let alone the government.
Fortunately the government has deep pockets, but even they will pull the pin on it IMO.

NBNMyths · 9 April 2013

noco said:
Myths to the rescue once again but you have over looked the fact that Conroy has admotted false claims, also it is not just the Coalition but Macquarie Bank doing some costing as well.

So say the coalition. However, the "Macquarie bank analysis" isn't published anywhere. We only have the Coalition's say-so on what it says, and what factors those alleged costings are based on. (ie: is it a GPON FTTP network, or a 10GPON, or an individual fibre per premises? To give just one factor which would make a massive difference to the cost).

If Rudd said it would complete by 2013 and now Gillard says 2021, how you do expect the cost to remain the same and even worse if it lingers on until 2027?

Rudd's original NBN was fibre to the node, at a cost to Govt of $4.7bn and a 5-year build. That's the same technology that the Coalition are now saying they'll spend $20bn on, of a total $29bn cost.

So they thought spending $4.7bn was a waste in 2007, but now think it's a great idea to throw $20bn at the same thing.

drsmith · 9 April 2013

NBNMyths said:
Rudd's original NBN was fibre to the node, at a cost to Govt of $4.7bn and a 5-year build. That's the same technology that the Coalition are now saying they'll spend $20bn on, of a total $29bn cost.

Kevin Rudd's fttn though wasn't going to be a fully government funded and owned wholesale network like the NBN so that comparison is like apples and oranges.

The Coalition can only start with what the government has left it.

MrBurns · 9 April 2013

Libs NBN policy runs rings around those socialist idiots.

Turnbull did a magnificent presentation, his style was in contract to Tony who also spoke but in that haltering manner, there was a stark comparison there.

Calliope · 9 April 2013

MrBurns said:
Libs NBN policy runs rings around those socialist idiots.

Turnbull did a magnificent presentation, his style was in contract to Tony who also spoke but in that haltering manner, there was a stark comparison there.

Who would you believe...Turnbull or Conroy's Myths Bluster?

But Mr Turnbull said the NBN rollout was in chaos and would never be delivered.

“The project is in a state of near collapse due to the wrong plan and poor management,” he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...malcolm-turnbull/story-e6frgaif-1226615540546

drsmith · 9 April 2013

MrBurns said:
Turnbull did a magnificent presentation, his style was in contract to Tony who also spoke but in that haltering manner, there was a stark comparison there.

Is there a link to the whole video ?

I did see a small segment featuring the somewhat stilted introduction from Tony Abbott.

The following is a 4:19 minute segment of Q&A with Malcolm Turnbull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzS3Np73wM&feature=player_embedded

Calliope · 9 April 2013

Conroy is a piece of work!

[video]http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/lateline/video/201304/LATs_ConroyPreRec_0804_512k.mp4[/video]

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