NBN Rollout Scrapped

Calliope · 13 March 2013

Is it possible that our resident NBN propagandist NBNMyths and the ABC's NBN propagandist Nick Ross are one and the same person?

The corporation's journalists and presenters, by and large, have taken a benign view of the NBN. They see no need to question the government's ability to deliver or the considerable cost to the public purse. Indeed, one ABC journalist, its computer-game expert Nick Ross, has become a Conroy advocate, haranguing the opposition's Malcolm Turnbull in his public appearances. In January he wrote: "With it being an election year, there is a great deal to be done in informing the public about the current NBN policy and the consequences of ditching it in favour of a Coalition alternative."

It may surprise Ross to know The Australian agrees that if money was no object the fibre-to-the-premises NBN plan has the edge in speed and capacity over the opposition's cheaper fibre-to-the-node network. The Australian also agrees that sending a stretched limo to Ross's house each morning, complete with a Jacuzzi and bath salts, will get him to work in a happier frame of mind. In the real world, however, the bus might have to suffice.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...cuzzis-all-round/story-e6frg71x-1226595928107

NBNMyths recently made the intriguing statement;

The other thing I will absolutely stake my reputation on is that, speed for speed, the retail prices for FTTN will not be cheaper than the NBN

I am stiil waiting to hear what this reputation is.

NBNMyths · 13 March 2013

Calliope said:
Is it possible that our resident NBN propagandist NBNMyths and the ABC's NBN propagandist Nick Ross are one and the same person?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...cuzzis-all-round/story-e6frg71x-1226595928107

NBNMyths recently made the intriguing statement;

I am stiil waiting to hear what this reputation is.

Nick Ross? You should pay more attention.

medicowallet · 13 March 2013

I can't wait until I can upload all my photos to a developer in China, and they can develop and deliver them to my door cheaper than anyone in Australia.

Great way for us to donate money overseas..

NBN - the greatest consumption device in Australia in 2030

MW

NBNMyths · 13 March 2013

medicowallet said:
I can't wait until I can upload all my photos to a developer in China, and they can develop and deliver them to my door cheaper than anyone in Australia.

Great way for us to donate money overseas..

NBN - the greatest consumption device in Australia in 2030

MW

Funny you should mention photos. Watch this:
[video=youtube_share;eeahNO0-F9g]http://youtu.be/eeahNO0-F9g[/video]

medicowallet · 13 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
Funny you should mention photos. Watch this:
[video=youtube_share;eeahNO0-F9g]http://youtu.be/eeahNO0-F9g[/video]

I watched this on tv..

I would like to ask you how much export $$ this business makes for Australia, as I undertand that the chemicals etc are imported.

Can you please explain how this is actually of a cost benefit for Australia as a whole, and use this to justify the $50 billion investment into the technology to facilitate this, as opposed to infrastructure designed to improve exports

MW

NBNMyths · 13 March 2013

medicowallet said:
I watched this on tv..

I would like to ask you how much export $$ this business makes for Australia, as I undertand that the chemicals etc are imported.

Can you please explain how this is actually of a cost benefit for Australia as a whole, and use this to justify the $50 billion investment into the technology to facilitate this, as opposed to infrastructure designed to improve exports

MW

I have no idea how much they export, nor whether the chemicals used are local or imported.

The point was your claim that the NBN would simply facilitate direct photo importing from China. This Australian photo processing company thinks the NBN will be a boon for them, not a threat.

Whether they export or not, and/or use some imported components or not, products purchased here from them instead of being fully imported would of benefit to us, wouldn't you say?

medicowallet · 13 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
I have no idea how much they export, nor whether the chemicals used are local or imported.

The point was your claim that the NBN would simply facilitate direct photo importing from China. This Australian photo processing company thinks the NBN will be a boon for them, not a threat.

Whether they export or not, and/or use some imported components or not, products purchased here from them instead of being fully imported would of benefit to us, wouldn't you say?

Of course ordering it locally is better...

but say I get 10 photos developed a year, but technology invites me to get 100 per year = net loss for the country.

PLUS, let us see when the cheap operators realise and set up services within this country when the technology allows them to do it.

Hey, perhaps it is a great business opportunity for YOU to go overseas and contact a factory to get this **** sorted

See, what a great MW I am, giving you business advice and all.

MW

medicowallet · 14 March 2013

medicowallet said:
Of course ordering it locally is better...

but say I get 10 photos developed a year, but technology invites me to get 100 per year = net loss for the country.

PLUS, let us see when the cheap operators realise and set up services within this country when the technology allows them to do it.

Hey, perhaps it is a great business opportunity for YOU to go overseas and contact a factory to get this **** sorted

See, what a great MW I am, giving you business advice and all.

MW

I note that you have not replied to the thoughts on the cost to the country (which I don't believe you ever do), and I do hope that you take the tongue in cheek business advice statement with a pinch of salt.

MW

Calliope · 15 March 2013

If Myths's hero, Stephen Conroy, gets his way it will soon become unlawful for the media to criticise the NBN roll-out fiasco.

NBNMyths · 15 March 2013

medicowallet said:
I note that you have not replied to the thoughts on the cost to the country (which I don't believe you ever do), and I do hope that you take the tongue in cheek business advice statement with a pinch of salt.

MW

I'm not concerned about the "cost to the country", because I believe that the NBN will be of benefit to the country, not cost. Whether we like it or not, the World is increasingly online. To be competitive in the future, our businesses need to adapt to this and produce products to take advantage of the superfast broadband being rolled out. Unfortunately, when compared to the rest of the World we are being left behind:

Also, due to the way its funded I don't believe it prevents us from undertaking other useful spending in any way.

I take everything you write with a grain of salt!

NBNMyths · 15 March 2013

Calliope said:
If Myths's hero, Stephen Conroy, gets his way it will soon become unlawful for the media to criticise the NBN roll-out fiasco.

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1. Stephen Conroy is most certainly not my hero.

2. Your proposition is utter rubbish. The proposed laws would do no such thing.

Calliope · 15 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
1. Stephen Conroy is most certainly not my hero.

Conroy and his henchman Quigley are your mentors.

2. Your proposition is utter rubbish. The proposed laws would do no such thing.

It was The Australian's criticism of the NBN that motivated Conroy's bill to suppress the freedom of speech.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson.

NBNMyths · 15 March 2013

Calliope said:
Conroy and his henchman Quigley are your mentors.

It was The Australian's criticism of the NBN that motivated Conroy's bill to suppress the freedom of speech.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson.

I have great respect for Mr Quigley. Not so much for Mr Conroy.

The problem with the Australian's coverage on the NBN is that it's generally demonstrably false. I've lost count of the number of corrections they have been forced to print on the topic. The tech press berates them regularly. As far as I am aware, the only change the proposed legislation would make with regards to those stories is that instead of simply being forced by the Press Council to issue a correction on page 46 for their false page 1 stories, they would be liable for a fine or other sanctions, again from the Press Council.

As for the other proposed changes, I can't really comment as I don't know enough about the bill.

I have no problem with freedom of the press. But there does need to be some accountability, lest powerful media owners attempt to exert control over society for their own gain. But, that would never happen, right?

Calliope · 15 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
I have great respect for Mr Quigley. Not so much for Mr Conroy.

The problem with the Australian's coverage on the NBN is that it's generally demonstrably false. I've lost count of the number of corrections they have been forced to print on the topic. The tech press berates them regularly.

You and Conroy really think alike.

I have no problem with freedom of the press. But there does need to be some accountability, lest powerful media owners attempt to exert control over society for their own gain. But, that would never happen, right?

And you don't think that Conroy and Gillard want to exert control over the press for their own good? By "accountablity" you and Conroy both mean censorship.

medicowallet · 15 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
I'm not concerned about the "cost to the country", because I believe that the NBN will be of benefit to the country, not cost. Whether we like it or not, the World is increasingly online. To be competitive in the future, our businesses need to adapt to this and produce products to take advantage of the superfast broadband being rolled out. Unfortunately, when compared to the rest of the World we are being left behind:

View attachment 51329

Also, due to the way its funded I don't believe it prevents us from undertaking other useful spending in any way.

I take everything you write with a grain of salt!

I like that graph, it shows how many countries that do not experience our economic growth have faster internet.... really doesn't answer the question though does it...

Change tack, withdraw... style over substance..

MW

NBNMyths · 15 March 2013

Calliope said:
You and Conroy really think alike.

And you don't think that Conroy and Gillard want to exert control over the press for their own good? By "accountablity" you and Conroy both mean censorship.

Mike Quigley is one of the most respected telecommunications execs in the World, so I'm quite happy to be on that side of the fence, thanks. Even the few telco people who don't like the NBN still respect Quigley.

Beven Slattery in 2010:

“You don’t get that high at Alcatel if you’re a muppet, so he’s obviously a pretty good guy,” he said, referring to Quigley’s history at the French telecommunications vendor.

I think every politician, despite what they may say publicly, would like to have some control over the media.

That aside, the fact is that The Australian has been running a long campaign against the NBN, and have published numerous demonstrably false articles about it. They have even admitted as much with their string of corrections.

I have no real issue with the long list of dodgy opinion pieces they have published against the NBN. People are entitled to their opinions. However, when they publish page 1 news stories which are blatantly false, then correct them a week later with a tiny spot on page 40 (or never correct them at all), that is not acceptable. That is not objective reporting, that is outright lying.

The Press Council needs teeth, which is something they don't have at present. Now whether all the other reforms are necessary, I don't know. But I do know that the media (And yes, I particularly mean News Ltd) needs to have more accountability than they currently have.

Calliope · 15 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
The Press Council needs teeth, which is something they don't have at present. Now whether all the other reforms are necessary, I don't know. But I do know that the media (And yes, I particularly mean News Ltd) needs to have more accountability than they currently have.

At last you have come out of the closet and confirmed your dislike of a newspaper that criticises this government. You have accepted that Conroy's bill is aimed solely at muzzling The Australian, and you agree with this, simply because of your fanatical support for Conroy and Quigley's NBN Co. fiasco. Naturally all your posts are prejudiced by your political leanings.

NBNMyths · 15 March 2013

Calliope said:
At last you have come out of the closet and confirmed your dislike of a newspaper that criticises this government. You have accepted that Conroy's bill is aimed solely at muzzling The Australian, and you agree with this, simply because of your fanatical support for Conroy and Quigley's NBN Co. fiasco.

Since when have I been "in the closet"?

I make no bones about the fact that I dislike the fact that The Australian (and the Daily Tele) in particular flat-out lie about the NBN. They do. It's a fact, and they often admit it themselves, if belatedly.

I don't know if they do it for political reasons (they've always been right-leaning), or because the NBN is a threat to the business interests of News Ltd (specifically FOXTEL), or simply to pander to their conservative audience and therefore sell more papers.

Whatever the reason, they have been caught out many times, and the "slap on the wrist" dished out by the Press Council (which they flaunt anyway) doesn't seem to deter them from doing it again.

I have no problem with them or any other news agency reporting the facts. But they too often don't.

Do you believe that newspapers should be able to report false news as they please, with no ramifications or accountability?

Calliope said:
Naturally all your posts are prejudiced by your political leanings.

As are yours.

Calliope · 15 March 2013

NBNMyths said:
As are yours.

Garpal Gumnut · 15 March 2013

Man up NBNMyths.

Is TLS a buy or a sell?

All this talk about the NBN will be judged by history.

I reckon the NBN is bollox.

You don't.

Who cares?

Is TLS a buy or a sell ?

gg

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