NBN Rollout Scrapped

So_Cynical · 10 January 2012

boofhead said:
Do you have maps of where the towns that will get it, won't get it and where the fibre backbone is being laid?

Back bone map below ... i edited it to show the approximate position of Julia creek, the cable will run through the town by the looks of it.
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todster · 11 January 2012

joea said:
You are living in some world that cannot comprehend reality.
I will get back with a report that has the truth.
joea p.s. you have the same virus that Gillard and Swan have got.
two thirds of Australia will be covered by wireless and satellite.
joea

Gee beeroclock must have been huge

Calliope · 12 January 2012

These guys get well paid to do what NBNMyth does for love on these pages.

NBN Co told estimates that its chief communications officer, Kieren Cooney, had 27 staff reporting to him -- either directly or indirectly -- covering media relations, liaising with government, "issues management", staffing demonstration facilities and "community engagement".

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said that the NBN "can't be such a compelling proposition" if it needed a lot of PR staff to sell it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-in-10-nbn-staff/story-e6frgaif-1226242132345

Knobby22 · 12 January 2012

"Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said that the NBN "can't be such a compelling proposition" if it needed a lot of PR staff to sell it."

I don't know about that. It has the less than unbiased Newscorp papers against it as well the opposition.

NBNMyths · 12 January 2012

Calliope said:
These guys get well paid to do what NBNMyth does for love on these pages.

NBN Co told estimates that its chief communications officer, Kieren Cooney, had 27 staff reporting to him -- either directly or indirectly -- covering media relations, liaising with government, "issues management", staffing demonstration facilities and "community engagement".

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said that the NBN "can't be such a compelling proposition" if it needed a lot of PR staff to sell it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-in-10-nbn-staff/story-e6frgaif-1226242132345

Maybe they'll give me a job!

Seriously though, what is Turnbull smoking? On the basis of his argument nothing that's any good needs to be promoted. I suppose we'd better tell Telstra to stop advertising their new 4G wireless, and Mercedes and BMW may as well stop advertising their cars. After all, if they're so compelling there's no need to promote them.

While we're at it, I guess the Coalition won't be doing any campaign advertising next election. To do so would be an admission that their case for forming Government isn't very compelling!

todster · 12 January 2012

NBNMyths said:
Maybe they'll give me a job!

Seriously though, what is Turnbull smoking? On the basis of his argument nothing that's any good needs to be promoted. I suppose we'd better tell Telstra to stop advertising their new 4G wireless, and Mercedes and BMW may as well stop advertising their cars. After all, if they're so compelling there's no need to promote them.

While we're at it, I guess the Coalition won't be doing any campaign advertising next election. To do so would be an admission that their case for forming Government isn't very compelling!

The usual suspects quote newspapers so much there is no need to buy one

drsmith · 12 January 2012

NBNMyths said:
While we're at it, I guess the Coalition won't be doing any campaign advertising next election. To do so would be an admission that their case for forming Government isn't very compelling!

I'd be more worried about how long Malcolm Turnbull has been holding his breath. There's insufficient oxygen and too much CO2 in the blood flowing through his brain.

The sad reality is that the Coalition won't need advertising. The case for re-electing a morally bankrupt Labor and their idiological Green partners is even less compelling.

So_Cynical · 13 January 2012

drsmith said:
I'd be more worried about how long Malcolm Turnbull has been holding his breath. There's insufficient oxygen and too much CO2 in the blood flowing through his brain.

The sad reality is that the Coalition won't need advertising. The case for re-electing a morally bankrupt Labor and their idiological Green partners is even less compelling.

Even you doc would have to admit that with hindsight its was mostly the NBN that swayed the independents to Labor and thus handed Govt to them...if we could turn the clock back and Tony was able to match Labor's NBN commitment then Tony would in all likelihood be PM now....IMO.

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Funny cos he would be a PM that couldn't actually pass any legislation cos the senate would block everything except the NBN... except that maybe he would be appealing to Labor to back his off shore asylum seeker solutions. the very solution he is now blocking.

IFocus · 13 January 2012

drsmith said:
I'd be more worried about how long Malcolm Turnbull has been holding his breath. There's insufficient oxygen and too much CO2 in the blood flowing through his brain.

The sad reality is that the Coalition won't need advertising. The case for re-electing a morally bankrupt Labor and their idiological Green partners is even less compelling.

Plenty of time for Abbott to blow up one day he will have to face the cameras without a script.

NBNMyths · 13 January 2012

IFocus said:
Plenty of time for Abbott to blow up one day he will have to face the cameras without a script.

Yep, **** happens

Calliope · 13 January 2012

NBNMyths said:
Yep, **** happens

Actually, I don't have a particularly strong political obsession

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Somewhere between your yes-men, IFocus, Todster and So_Cynical I would say.

NBNMyths · 13 January 2012

Calliope said:
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Somewhere between your yes-men, IFocus, Todster and So_Cynical I would say.

Oh come on, surely you though the whole Abbott/SH thing last year was funny?!

awg · 13 January 2012

a brief summary after chatting to my contacts

*They all want to be NBN direct employees, as they pay 1/3 more, lol
( not having to make a profit margin sufficient to satisfy shareholders must be helpful)

*my question about lack of grunters and time & problem to connect each individual premises is most relevant, ie Armidale is overtime

* They estimate 2.5 to 3 years for Newcastle region to be fully online, based upon required timelines.

I hope/suppose there would be some improvements in efficiency along the way, it will have to just all work out, thing is the entire industry is geared for it, there no going back imo.

On the few occasions I have seen Mal Turnbull on the subject, he seemed very limp on unwinding

todster · 13 January 2012

Calliope said:
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Somewhere between your yes-men, IFocus, Todster and So_Cynical I would say.

I'm nodding like Tony Abbott minus the wall

Calliope · 13 January 2012

Knobby22 said:
"Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said that the NBN "can't be such a compelling proposition" if it needed a lot of PR staff to sell it."

I don't know about that. It has the less than unbiased Newscorp papers against it as well the opposition.

THE publicity machine charged with spruiking the National Broadband Network employs 27 people. This certainly simplifies the jobs for you and NBNMyths to sing their praises. NBN sceptics on the other hand have only The Australian with its war on waste to get the unbiased version. Turnbull is only a voice in the wilderness.

Toadster..

."I'm nodding like Tony Abbott minus the wall"

That's what yes-men do

Knobby22 · 13 January 2012

Calliope said:
THE publicity machine charged with spruiking the National Broadband Network employs 27 people. This certainly simplifies the jobs for you and NBNMyths to sing their praises. NBN sceptics on the other hand have only The Australian with its war on waste to get the unbiased version. Turnbull is only a voice in the wilderness.

If the Age, SMH or the TV stations got some information on wastage they would publish it. The attacked Victorian Labor long and hard over police corruption and the pathetic salt to freshwater plant.

They have been critical on the government in the past regarding the NBN.

But the lies and distortions the Australian trots out help nobody. When you are hit with propaganda then you have to respond.

I don't like seeing spindoctors employed but it is basic common sense. If someone spins it one way, you need someone else to supply the facts and spin it back. Modern information theory

NBNMyths · 13 January 2012

Calliope said:
NBN sceptics on the other hand have only The Australian with its war on waste to get the unbiased version.

Sorry but I am only allowed to put 6 laughing emoticons in this post, which is nowhere near enough to express the volume of the laughter I got when I read that sentence.

While the Oz is usually reasonably accurate in their NBN stories, there's a big difference between reporting the truth and the whole truth. They regualrly put a sprinkling of weasel words into their NBN stories to give a negative slant, while they simply don't report almost every piece of information that supports the NBN. Meanwhile, other media outlets (Fairfax, ABC, the general tech media) report the whole thing.

You don't have to look back far for an example. Remember a few days ago when the Oz reported that NBN Co had only signed 12 of the 22 active ISPs to their wholesale agreement? That story was also reported by Fairfax and the tech media. But then, a couple of days later when NBN Co announced that they had signed another 9 ISPs taking the total to 21 before the deadline expired, the Australian ignored the story completely, while everyone else reported it.

If you think the Oz is providing totally objective reporting on the NBN, you're sadly mistaken. Perhaps it explains your opinion though. The Oz are reporting the side of the story that suits their agenda. Nothing more.

Calliope · 13 January 2012

NBNMyths said:
Perhaps it explains your opinion though. The Oz are reporting the side of the story that suits their agenda. Nothing more.

Ditto the 27 spin doctors and the Fairfax press and the ABC and your opinion.

NBNMyths · 13 January 2012

Calliope said:
Ditto the 27 spin doctors and the Fairfax press and the ABC and your opinion.

The difference is that I can back my claims with verifiable facts, and likewise show evidence of the Australian's (and the rest of News Ltd's) selective and misleading reporting on the NBN.

The tech media have certainly woken up to it: http://www.zdnet.com.au/advance-australian-fair-339306784.htm

Can you do the same?

Calliope · 13 January 2012

NBNMyths said:
The difference is that I can back my claims with verifiable facts, and likewise show evidence of the Australian's (and the rest of News Ltd's) selective and misleading reporting on the NBN.

The tech media have certainly woken up to it: http://www.zdnet.com.au/advance-australian-fair-339306784.htm

Can you do the same?

I suppose I could if I were an obsessive, but the NBN is not that important to me except for the waste of public moneys. My main interest here was pricking inflated egos. As an obsessive you will naturally want the last word. Go for it.

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