Knobby22
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Yes, but not at the cost of running down infrastructure. There's no point having a few billion dollars in the bank if the roads are in gridlock, the schools are falling apart, hospital waiting lists are blowing out and businesses in Sydney are stuck on satellite internet.1. Its always good to have a surplus for a rainy day. Which was used by Labor when storm clouds where looming (how effectively is another matter).
In some cases that's quite true. But the same can be said of any Government. I might also point out that if you don't invest in any projects, then there's no opportunity to spend too much on them!2. this government does not have a good record in spending money.
3. although an ideal to aspire to (fast internet for everyone) perhaps not the best way to go about it:-
Wireless or other technologies improving before NBN is completed.
Govt. money instead of free enterprise (always dangerous for taxpayers)
4. Probable blow out of cost to implement.
5. There are other projects which would make us more prosperous.
New infrastructure for mining industry and opening up WA
Better roads and possibly rail.
Better funding of hospitals etc
The problem with the above economic analysis is that it is not, in any way, rigorous.So because the cost of something may "blow out" that's a reason to just do nothing? Should we apply that reason to everything we do, or just to Government projects? Or just to the NBN? If not, what makes it different to everything else?
We've been through this several times. The NBN provides a return. It doesn't effect our ability to invest in other projects. You can't simply "redirect" the NBN money unless....
a) Whatever you redirect it to also provides a return (eg: a toll road); OR
b) You find the money in the budget.
Either way though, whether the NBN is built or not makes not one iota of difference.
I'd also like to point out that even if the NBN provided zero return, and every cent of the $27bn Govt investment was on-budget. That is still less than 3% of the money Australian Governments will spend on public healthcare over the 10 year build of the NBN. What would we have to show for it if we increased the public health budget by 3% over 10 years do you think?
The problem with the above economic analysis is that it is not, in any way, rigorous.
I was having a holiday recently on Hamilton Island and all I could get was the Australian or the Courier mail. Bought the Australian every day.
It really has got less in it these days from what I remember and plenty of bias and hearsay. It may as well call itself the Courier Mail. I bet many people in Queensland don't buy papers if that is the best there is to offer.
Another fact you won't find in the Australian, most people support the NBN project.
Haha Knobby. People choose what they read. Smart media will give people the news they want to read. Labor is on the nose in Qld so that might explain why the Courier mail seems biased. I don't think they caused it, I think they swing with the opinion polls. It's a supply and demand business. I wonder if Fairfax realise why many prefer to read Murdoch papers than Fairfax...
Perhaps less people than you think support the NBN...
It needs to be regorous however, to ensure that scarce financial resources are best allocated.It's not for me to be rigorous. I'm merely pointing out that the NBN funding is apparently misunderstood with the constant comments that the funding should be redirected. Redirection is neither possible (without satisfying one of the two provisos), nor required in order to achieve one of the "alternatives".
Anything is achievable with enough money.The project itself was assessed by KPMG-McKinsey who found it achievable for $42.8bn, and the NBN Co Business Plan was subsequently assessed by Greenhill-Caliburn, who found the assumptions therein to be reasonable.
It needs to be regorous however, to ensure that scarce financial resources are best allocated.
Anything is achievable with enough money.
The extent to which it is worthwhile relative to other priorities is quiet another matter.
This too is not a substantive economic or even social argument.....your a dinosaur Doc, get with the system!
You can't be serious! Since the Courier Mail went tabloid, its content has become that of all the other rubbish tabloids. "The Australian" has some thoughtful comment, though probably is too willing to expose the government's foolishness for your taste.I was having a holiday recently on Hamilton Island and all I could get was the Australian or the Courier mail. Bought the Australian every day.
It really has got less in it these days from what I remember and plenty of bias and hearsay. It may as well call itself the Courier Mail.
Compared to the NBN Co Corporate Plan, a lower than expected capital expenditure (capex) and higher than expected operating expenditure (opex) result, will be watched closely by the committee. This could be an early warning that it is costing more to do less, when compared to the expected results in the NBN Co Corporate Plan, even though the committee has at this stage accepted the argument from NBN Co that other reasons are behind this. The committee will watch this capex/opex combination closely, as value for money to taxpayers is the critical key performance indicator in turning this good concept into an even better reality for all.
I was having a holiday recently on Hamilton Island and all I could get was the Australian or the Courier mail. Bought the Australian every day.
It really has got less in it these days from what I remember and plenty of bias and hearsay. It may as well call itself the Courier Mail. I bet many people in Queensland don't buy papers if that is the best there is to offer.
Another fact you won't find in the Australian, most people support the NBN project.
A darkening cloud on the horizon over cost/benefit ?
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/jcnbn/report2/fullreport.pdf
Drsmith, NBNmyths will give you a serve if you keep up with this negative sentiment. Actually I wonder if he isn't Tim.
The proof of the pudding will obvously be in the easting, but saying that "a capital expenditure (capex) and higher than expected operating expenditure (opex) result, will be watched closely by the committee" is a guarded comment by the committee.The delay in signing the Telstra deal in particular caused considerable well-documented problems, costs and delays. Now that it's finally done, and fibre rollout contracts (on budget, I might add) have been signed for every state and territory, the project should be able to settle down as the volume rollout commences.
If there's one thing I learnt about government through working in the public service it was about consultants.The project itself was assessed by KPMG-McKinsey...
How does the cost of these contracts compared to that of NBN Co simply building the network itself?and fibre rollout contracts (on budget, I might add) have been signed for every state and territory
How does the cost of these contracts compared to that of NBN Co simply building the network itself?
I'd just like to know how much of my taxes will be building the actual NBN versus how much will be consumed in unnecessary overheads etc which are inherent in the outsourced system.
For a project of this size, I would have thought that a substantial in-house work crew supplemented by contractors would have been a cheaper option than using contractors for the majority of the work. It would also save a fortune through avoiding the inadequate compaction and poorly executed drill shots which always seem to happen when total control is given to contractors rolling out a power / gas / comms network.
Well trainspotter, Conroy will have something to say to the ACCC about this, he will be spitting chips. Someone will get a spray. LOL
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-wireless-battle/story-e6frgaif-1226218587235
Telstra shareholders should take a bit of joy from that.
It is going to be interesting to see how Thodey has positioned Telstra, at the moment he seems to be ticking the right boxes.
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