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NBN Rollout Scrapped

Oh well, with all these new jobs we should see a reversal of the trend in unemployment very quickly.
 

As with everything else this Government says, it has a habit of falling short.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/b...-falls-short-by-thousands-20110925-1krmo.html
 
As with everything else this Government says, it has a habit of falling short.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/b...-falls-short-by-thousands-20110925-1krmo.html

Does whether there are 16,000 or 20,000 really make a difference in deciding if the project should go ahead or not?

I would have thought you blokes would be happy about it. Fewer workers means lower costs. Perhaps the reason for the budget being revised down from $43bn to $36.9?

Given the gradual rise in unemployment and the looming possibility of another global recession, beginning a project that will employ 16,000 Australians for the next 8 years must surely be something you'd be supporting?

Using my crystal ball.....Assuming the NBN is in volume rollout in 2013 and we see a federal election where the Coalition get in, at a time when we have an unemployment rate of 7% and rising.

.....Would you still support the axing of the project then? Putting those 16,000 people out of work? What would that do to the economy? How many downstream jobs would also be lost? The loss of the NBN workforce alone would result in a 0.2% increase in the unemployment rate.

Man, you guys are funny. On one hand criticising the Govt for employing too many people generally, then criticising when the numbers are revised down for this project.

Just goes to show the blind opposition you have to this and any other ALP project. If it were the Coalition announcing these changes, you'd be applauding them as demonstrating their "superior management skills".
 

Actualy you probably have a valid point there, it will provide employment through this next rough patch we are heading for. Also it it past the project development stage and is ramping up.
There you go nbnmyths, you've made me feel better allready.
I knew if we kept talking we would find common ground.
 


How about spending the money, and thus creating the jobs, on a more worthwhile project(s) - like some dams in the north, improving ports, roads, hospitals etc etc.
 
How about spending the money, and thus creating the jobs, on a more worthwhile project(s) - like some dams in the north, improving ports, roads, hospitals etc etc.

It's already past that point, there is a lot of contracts already let, so the best we can hope for is the scale is reduced.
 
How about spending the money, and thus creating the jobs, on a more worthwhile project(s) - like some dams in the north, improving ports, roads, hospitals etc etc.

That issue has been covered numerous times, but I'll repeat it concisely.

The NBN is forecast to provide a return. That is, all of the money invested (including any interest) is forecast to be paid back. This makes it off-budget. If you wanted to redirect the money to dams, hospitals etc etc, then they would also have to provide a return, which they wouldn't. This would mean the spend goes on-budget, and must be found from consolidated revenue.

If the other projects did provide a return (say you build a dam, and charge farmers enough for the water to enable the dam to break even), then there's no reason we couldn't do them as well as build the NBN.

I'd also like to point out on the subject of hospitals, for example, that even if the NBN didn't provide a return, and all of its $27bn 10-year govt investment were to be paid from the budget, it would still represent less that 0.3% of what Australian Governments will spend on public healthcare over the next 10 years. ($27billion v $1200billion).
 
Latest ABS internet stats back need for NBN

The ABS have just released their latest stats about internet use in Australia.

Just has industry commentators have always said, they show that while wireless is the fastest growing sector by number of connections, those connections are not coming at the expense of fixed lines which also continue to grow at a faster rate than the growth in new premises, despite an almost saturated market.

More interesting is the explosive growth in the volume of data downloaded over fixed-line networks (ADSL, Cable and fibre), which increased by an incredible 46% in the last 6 months. The largest increase for any 6-month period since statistics have been recorded.

Total data volume downloaded over fixed lines grew 81 Terabytes (TB) to 255TB from December 2010 to June 2011. Over the same period, the total downloaded over mobile broadband grew 2.5TB to 19TB.

The average data consumed per connection grew 15GB to 49GB for fixed lines, while the average per connection decreased 0.1GB to 4GB for wireless.

This data again demonstrates that wireless and fixed are complementary services, with wireless being used for low volume mobility, while the fixed network is used for the vast (and increasing) majority of "heavy lifting".


The largest plan offered on Telstra's new 4G wireless broadband network (15GB for $100 per month) does not even provide 1/3 of the average fixed line monthly download, making it totally unusable as a replacement for an average ADSL or cable connection. There is not a single mobile wireless broadband plan offered by any provider that includes sufficient data to supply the average monthly download volume of fixed lines.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/8153.0/

 
That issue has been covered numerous times, but I'll repeat it concisely.

The NBN is forecast to provide a return. That is, all of the money invested (including any interest) is forecast to be paid back.

you wont read about that in the Australian.

It drives me nuts when people go on about the cost, you have summed it up well Myths fact is even if we only get 1/2 the money back it is still a worthy project.

Interesting that the Coalition have gone quite on the NBN do you think we will still get fibre to the home after the next election given the Coalition are really a shoe in for government?
 
Judging by Turnball at some thing in the last couple of days, he's still fighting against it.

Surprising Coalition don't really have much positive stuff to do with broadband with Turnball and Fletcher onboard. Nothing much that variations of their past policies that leave gaps, haves and havenots.
 
iinet have just released there new NBN plans... basically anything you want starting at just $49.95 per month going up to the top of the range 500 GIG plan at $99.95 per month.

http://www.iinet.net.au/nbn/
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How about spending the money, and thus creating the jobs, on a more worthwhile project(s) - like some dams in the north, improving ports, roads, hospitals etc etc.

You have been a member since 2004 out of interest did you have this attitude when the Libs were sitting on a huge surplus.
 
Oh dear, another rainy night which = poor wireless internet. I can't get ADSL so have to live with it, (I'm on pair gain rubbish). Bring on the NBN, I could really use an internet service that actually works.
 
Oh dear, another rainy night which = poor wireless internet. I can't get ADSL so have to live with it, (I'm on pair gain rubbish). Bring on the NBN, I could really use an internet service that actually works.

Same boat
 
Oh dear, another rainy night which = poor wireless internet. I can't get ADSL so have to live with it, (I'm on pair gain rubbish). Bring on the NBN, I could really use an internet service that actually works.

Bill M,
When do you expect to get NBN where you live?
 
Bill M,
When do you expect to get NBN where you live?
I really don't know but by just doing a few checks right now only tells me sometime from 2012 to 2018. That's for Central Coast NSW. Is there any way of getting a definitive answer?
 
Oh well have to resurect this one again. Apparently all is not going well, cost blowouts and slipping time frames.
It may be back to the future for Labor and big projects.
Hopefully nbnmyths can give us an update on cost per connection, word is the cost has doubled.
 

How many big projects run on time or budget?
Look at the Pluto LNG project.
 
You have been a member since 2004 out of interest did you have this attitude when the Libs were sitting on a huge surplus.

Hi Todster

Sorry about the delay in replying (slipped thro' the system).

A good question and to be honest I am not really sure how I felt back in 2004 (my how the years fly).

I suppose it depends on the economic situation at the time.

I just feel that:
1. Its always good to have a surplus for a rainy day. Which was used by Labor when storm clouds where looming (how effectively is another matter).
2. this government does not have a good record in spending money.
3. although an ideal to aspire to (fast internet for everyone) perhaps not the best way to go about it:-
Wireless or other technologies improving before NBN is completed.
Govt. money instead of free enterprise (always dangerous for taxpayers)
4. Probable blow out of cost to implement.
5. There are other projects which would make us more prosperous.
New infrastructure for mining industry and opening up WA
Better roads and possibly rail.
Better funding of hospitals etc

Cheers

dutchie
 
Hopefully nbnmyths can give us an update on cost per connection, word is the cost has doubled.

The only person saying that is Kevin Morgan, who has been a staunch critic of the NBN since day one.

On the topic of his figures, perhaps NBN boss Mike Quigley summed it up best, when he said something along the lines of "How would Mr Morgan know?".

There's quite a good writeup about Morgan's ridiculous criticisms here, from someone who isn't a huge fan of the NBN:
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/10/13/nbn-critics-cant-you-do-better-than-this/

We’ve come to expect this kind of approach from Bolt when it comes to the NBN. Far more disturbing, however, is this opinion article which appeared in The Australian newspaper (where else?) this morning, and is referred to in Bolt’s second post on the NBN, entitled ‘National Blowout Network’. Published by self-styled “independent” telecommunications consultant Kevin Morgan, the article also cites the Economist report, but goes far further than Bolt’s brief missive, arguing that NBN Co chief Mike Quigley needs to explain “what value is being delivered by the network”, why the NBN Co “gravy train” of costs is exploding, and why there is “pork-barrelling” in the NBN rollout in Tasmania.

To put it mildly, I was flabberghasted that anyone who calls themselves a “telecommunications consultant” could write such tripe.

I wondered as I read the article … who, faced with this garbage, would employ Kevin Morgan as a consultant of any kind? I did a quick Google search for his name, but couldn’t find his organisation’s web site. Is Mr Morgan, in fact, employed? Or, the Google search results appears to imply, does he merely spend his days ensconced in his basement, writing rant after rant about the evils of government-funded optical fibre rollouts, like some modern-day digital Ebenezer Scrooge?

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