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trainspotter said:
*sniff sniff* what's this? UNLIMITED broadband for $59.99 per month including phone line?

http://www.tpg.com.au/products_services/adsl2plus_pricing.php
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Have you seen the typical speeds you get from TPG? Well known for industry-leading(!) backhaul contention. You get what you pay for:

TPG stats from www.speedtest.net:

Average: 4.87Mbps
Best result: 14.2Mbps
Worst result: 0.04Mbps

http://www.speedtest.net/wave/6e966a4a129c55dd?o=desc&sb=download

Pretty good chance that TPG will offer a similar sort of budget service over the NBN, reducing their costs in the same way as they do now over ADSL.

The problem for them might be that while they can blame (and thank) distance for speed issues now, they won't be able to do the same over fibre.

Also, TPG's unlimited is only available in certain metro areas where they have their own DSLAMs (about 400 of Telstra's 5,000 exchanges). Here's what I see when I enter my phone number:
 
joea said:
My basic understanding is basic for $59.99/mth. and $190/mth. all in .
As was explained on TV.
joea
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$29.99 per month for unlimited ADSL Broadband 24/7 (bundled or not) and $30 per month line rental = $59.99 All in.
 
trainspotter said:
$29.99 per month for unlimited ADSL Broadband 24/7 (bundled or not) and $30 per month line rental = $59.99 All in.
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Unlike you trainspotter not to add the cost of the initial capital outlay in your calculation. LOL
I would expect that from NBNmyths.
 

Compared to an NBN that is only in a few isolated places with a non existant take up rate TPG is looking pretty good value for money. Seeing how my tax has not paid for it to be installed in the first instance.
 

They are available in rural and regional areas too.

I just cannot see $40 billion in value when current technology provides speed acceptable to 99% of Australians, for use which is applicable.

The push behind this is CONSUMPTION.

eg online shopping, and dvd rentals etc


Govt loves it cause they generate more GST ( a little like how their GST take is increased slightly by a carbon tax, but this is OT)

Sure, provide NBN to schools (however I fail to see how internet makes children learn more, to me it is more of a distraction) and certain businesses. But to provide it to Joe blogs is stupid. I mean, as long as the streaming = 1sec to watch 1 sec of streamed pr0n, then there is no real point is there?
 
Yes this is a good article from a business lunch in Melbourne.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard-hits-new-low-with-business-20110722-1ht0k.html

The NBN summed up perfectly " a thought bubble that became public policy"
The way this government is going about implementing public policy decisions despite public opinion is not unlike what Margret Thatcher did in the U.K.
When she had decimated the countries manufacturing and mining, unemployment went through the roof.
Fortunately for England it's proximity to Europe and the U.S and due its ties to international financial services it could eek out a survival plan through commerce and tourism. However there are large areas of U.K that have still not recovered from the mass closing of manufacturing.
 
trainspotter said:
Compared to an NBN that is only in a few isolated places with a non existant take up rate TPG is looking pretty good value for money. Seeing how my tax has not paid for it to be installed in the first instance.
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Are you serious?

It's in a "few isolated places" because it's under construction. When complete, you'll be able to get that 12Mbps (A speed TPG can't even deliver in most cities) anywhere in the country. From inner-Melbourne to Innamincka. And can you show me where TPG can do 100Mbps? Or 50Mbps? Or even 25Mbps?

The takeup rate for the NBN is much, much higher than ADSL was when introduced (18% after 10 months v 3% after 18 months - Do the maths).

Actually, "tax dollars" did effectively pay for TPG service, since it's using the Telstra copper network, installed by the Government through the PMG. Tax dollars that were repaid many times over.

Fair dinkum, the short sightedness of some people never ceases to astound me. If not for people like those imagining, designing and constructing the NBN (and other projects before it), we'd still be using the telegraph and getting around in a horse and cart. Come to think of it, who needs a telegraph when you can use smoke signals. What a waste of money.
 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-labors-strength/story-e6frgd0x-1226059944394

Put some more wet wood on the fire so I can send smoke signals will ya. This shiny blue cable stuff doesn't burn too well.

The takeup rate for the NBN is much, much higher than ADSL was when introduced (18% after 10 months v 3% after 18 months - Do the maths).
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NBN Co chief Mike Quigley has revealed data on Tasmanian take-up rates in the state's three stage-one sites, with 600 premises holding an active connection to the network and over 740 services ordered by the end of May.

Almost 40 percent of the services were between 20 Mbps and 100 Mbps, he told a Senate Estimates hearing last night.

NBN Co was scheduled to start billing the customers for services from August 1.

“As a trial, we believe these are very positive outcomes,” Quigley said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/260809,nbn-chief-talks-up-tassie-take-up.aspx

WOWEEEEEEEEEEE 740 premises on a TRIAL basis in the whole of Tasmania. Exciting **** man.
 

You really should do some research before speaking of things you apparently do not understand.

As Boofhead has pointed out, the whole of Tasmania isn't covered. There are about 4,000 premises passed in Tasmania, with about 2,000 premises connected and 740 with an active service. The 18% takeup figure was based on 723 connections of the 4,000 passed premises, which was the number on 6th May.

While Tassie is still technically in trial, it is the only place where you can request a NBN connection and have it activated at will. The mainland sites are invite-only at present.

As for billing...In Tassie, ISPs paid a one-off $300 connection fee for each connection for 12 months access. This equates to $25/month wholesale per customer. Once the NBN OSS/BSS kicks in (it says August there, but I've read elsewhere that it's actually September or October), the one-off fee goes and is replaced by the standard NBN wholesale charging system based on speeds and capacity. These range from $24/month for 12Mbps to $70 for 100Mbps.
 
Aaaaaaah it's good to have you back NBNMyths as it was getting boring talking about the CO2 tax for so long.

YES as in the WHOLE of Tasmania has 4000 homes that the NBN passes. Yes yers yes there will be more in Stage 3 Boofhead. Can't wait.

So there is 740 houses connected out of 4000 plus in a TRIAL situation at a lousy $25 per month and they cannot achieve a full coverage? Just LOL at this one.

Oh oh what is this ? 50mbps over copper with VDSL2? Is this possible here in Australia?

PTCL Announcing Bandwidth (DSL) Data Rate Up to 50 Mbps Using VDSL2 Bonding Technology

PTCL has become the 1st operator in the world to use VDSL2 Bonding technology to provide to its bandwidth hungry DSL customers with Bandwidth up to 50 Mbps on its existing Copper network.

VDSL2 Bonding takes two copper based lines per subscriber and aggregates them to almost double the bandwidth speed available to the existing customers and also expands high speed broadband access to areas that are underserved today. Using VDSL2 Bonding technology, service providers can extend the life of their existing copper infrastructure supporting the delivery of bandwidth intensive services such as Triple play service, data and IPTV

http://pakbee.com/2011/04/ptcl-broadband-50mb-vdsl-internet-price/
 

Yes, we could implement VDSL2 tech here. There's a few BUTs though.

The first is (as stated in the quote) to get 50Mbps you need 2 pairs of copper. Unfortunately, only about 20% of premises in Australia have 2 functioning pairs of copper. That fact drastically reduces the cost savings involved. Because if you have to run a 2nd pair of copper to 80% of homes, you may as well just run fibre to them and be done with it.

The 2nd biggie is distance. VDSL2 is even more susceptible to distance dropoff than ADSL. By the time you hit 1500m line length you're back to ADSL2 speeds.
 
A part of the limited initial take in Tasmania trial areas are conditions imposed by NBN. That is - only customers using an ISP for ADSL could then use the same ISP for fibre - that is if recent comments by Internode representatives in the last 4 days have made on Whirlpool are correct. Telstra I think limited their trial numbers. Telstra have something like 50% of marketshare. Many ISPs are not participating in the NBN trials so more customers got chopped. NBN is not wholesaling voice port services yet.

ACCC look in to it all won't amount to much. Seems ACCC caused some of the mess themselves.
 

So why the limiting on the trial conditions? What the hell has having an previous account ISP with ADSL have to do with running through fibre? Why has Telstra who has 50% market share according to the above post put the brakes on the numbers? Why are many ISP's NOT participating in the trials?

As everyone keeps pointing out, this shiny blue cable is not new technology. It has been around and in service for years. FORGAWDSAKE we even have it here in a local subdivision (until the rats ate the shield cable in the pits) So why the hell cant they just connect the damn stuff together and make it work? Afterall it was rammed down our throats that all these other countries have it and if we don't, we will fall behind and BOO HOO and all that other rubbish that was touted as the saviour of our nation.

Where are all the people who are using this amazing technology being reported as to how much it has changed their lives? Where is the headmaster of the school saying that learning has gone up 157% and producitivity approximately the same. The hospital has not come out stating they have saved dozens more lives due to diagnosis by video link up blah blah bloody blah.

Nuffin.
 
If you are honestly interested in many of the whys then contact NBNCo and your local member for parliament. Furthermore ask the senators for your state/territory why NBNCo were not grilled about that during the recent hearings.
 


I don't think Boofhead is totally correct with respect to the Tassie customers having to have an existing ADSL connection. This is true of the mainland trial sites, and is a condition imposed by the ISPs, because they are giving the NBN connection away for free during the trial period (ie, customers must agree to keep paying for their ADSL until the conclusion of the trial).

This is apart from Telstra, who are still invite-only in Tassie, and so may have those conditions on their customers.

While fibre networks have been installed in quite a few places, there is still much testing to do because no-one in the World has rolled out a network exactly the same as this (with fibre, wireless and sat on a wholesale-only basis). There is no real 'standard' for networks, and most countries have done it differently to each other. This means NBN had to have their OSS/BSS built from scratch to interface with all these mediums and ISPs need to get their own billing and systems software to play nicely with the NBN.

If you'd like to see a video from the school in Tassie, take a look at this one:
 
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