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NBN customers can choose 12/1. The fact that 75% of them choose to pay more for higher speeds than that suggests that demand far exceeds 12Mbps. Because if it didn't, then people could save money by choosing the lower speed.
Go to any service station and watch people filling cars with petrol.
Now realise that the vast majority of cars on Australian roads are built and tuned to run on 91 RON petrol, a small number require 95 and very, very few require 98.
But you won't have to wait at the servo for long to find someone filling a vehicle with 98. A vehicle that runs a compression ratio of 8.5:1 and which has the ignition timing already set to minimal advance in order to comply with emissions requirements. But it costs more so it's automatically better, right?
Likewise with the NBN, there's zero practical benefit in a high speed connection if you're just going to read a few emails and visit forums like ASF. That won't stop such people choosing to pay more in a "mine's bigger than yours" type of logic however, just as it doesn't stop them putting slower burning fuel in cars because they think it's somehow better.
The notion that consumers do what is most efficient and economical works in theory but we've got an entire industry, marketing, to persuade them to do otherwise and it's effective in practice. A minority of consumers will consistently make the "right" choice in any given area of spending, and practically nobody will do it across everything they buy.
No doubt there will be some people who have done a rational analysis of their internet needs. But for most, it's either "pick the cheapest" or it's "pick the most expensive" with no real effort to get it right as such.
Yep, same here, connections are coming.Turnbull seems to have done a good job, of calming down the hysteria.
There seems to be a fair bit of connection activity, around my area.
Go to any service station and watch people filling cars with petrol.
Now realise that the vast majority of cars on Australian roads are built and tuned to run on 91 RON petrol, a small number require 95 and very, very few require 98.
But you won't have to wait at the servo for long to find someone filling a vehicle with 98. A vehicle that runs a compression ratio of 8.5:1 and which has the ignition timing already set to minimal advance in order to comply with emissions requirements. But it costs more so it's automatically better, right?
It's somewhat like buying a Lamborghini, to go to work in the city,
You have something that can do 300klm/hr, but you can only go as fast as the Hyundia Getz, sitting in front of you.
Untill everything is connected to bling speed, you are still reduced to the lowest common denominator.
Its been said about computers that programs expand automatically to consume all available memory space, ie the more you can do with a given system, the more people try to do.
I scanned my PC yesterday. There were millions of files on it. What do they all do ? How many are actually needed ?
Seems to me that we actually use a lot less of our computer than we think, and the rest of the stuff on it is just unnecessary and used to justify the high price of computer software. So to with the NBN. As smurf said, people will buy the fastest they can get, so they can say that they have got it, not because they need the capability.
The idea of a national fibre connected NBN seemed attractive at first. Certainly, everyone should have the ability to connect to the internet, but we should consider if we are being sold a Rolls Royce when a Commodore may suit us better.
Tisme said:The idea that the NBN is Rolls Royce is a nonsense insofar as it is already being outpaced by other installs in other countries.
The idea of a national fibre connected NBN seemed attractive at first. Certainly, everyone should have the ability to connect to the internet, but we should consider if we are being sold a Rolls Royce when a Commodore may suit us better.
Doesn't that just bring up the question of whether our NBN will be outdated before it's installed ?
I doubt I will ever get fibre as I live on a dirt road and the vastness of the country means that it will be a long time before fibre coverage exists outside the major cities.
So one of Turnbulls biggest gripes of the Labor NBN was the lack of infrastructure competition.
TPG decide to step in after the last election and use it's fibre network to offer FTTB to apartments in major urban centres.
You'd think Turnbull would have lauded this since he seemed to think internet access is the only utility that should have competing pipes into your home.
But no, he did an eleventh hour conversion and changed the rules to force any company offering high speed internet services on their own infrastructure will have to structurally separate and provide wholesale access to their competitors.
So mid December he's given a Jan 1 2015 deadline for the new rules to come into effect from July 1 for any company currently offering such services to be compliant with the new license conditions.
So TPG has withdrawn their FTTB services from public offer till they meet the short deadline, or they may decide that creating a totally separate wholesale entity, complete with independent board, would make their FTTB service uncompetitive.
It seems so much of what the Govt said in opposition was the opposite of what they planned to do once they go into office.
Internet speeds: Australia ranks 44th, study cites direction of NBN as part of problem
A US study has delivered an unwelcome finding about Australian internet speeds, finding that they are well behind the international pack.
One engineering expert said the nation would continue to tumble down in world rankings if the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN) continues in its current form.
The State of the Internet Report from cloud service provider Akamai ranks Australia 44th for average connection speed.
The US-based company produces the quarterly report looking at connection speeds and broadband adoption around the world.
Dr Mark Gregory, a network engineering expert from RMIT University, said the Akamai report was a reputable review.
"In the latest report, Australia has dropped a couple of places down to the 44th position, which is a pretty big drop really over such a short period of time," he said.
Dr Gregory said Australia's relative decline was because many other countries were moving forward apace with new and upgraded networks.
"The drop is happening because a lot of other countries over this period are moving towards fiber-based access networks, or they've already completed rollouts of what we would call the multi-technology mixing/mixed networks," he said.
"Whatever way you look at it, what it means is that the average speeds that Australians are enjoying are slowly becoming less than most of our competitors around the world."
Copper-based network slowing Australia down: expert
Dr Gregory said the Federal Government's decision to switch from fibre-to-the-home to a mixed fibre/copper network was part of the reason for the decline.
"One of the reasons is that we're falling down the list [is] that we're moving towards utilising a copper-based access network," he said.
"Whereas previously, under the Labor government, we were moving towards an all cyber-based network, which is what most of our competitors are now doing.
Average connection speed by country
1. South Korea
2. Hong Kong
3. Japan
4. Switzerland
5. Sweden
6. Netherlands
7. Ireland
8. Latvia
9. Czech Republic
10. Singapore
44. Australia
Source: Akamai's State of the Internet Report
"And we're also seeing this drop because, as we keep changing direction with the NBN, we're putting in large delays before the rollout is actually occurring."
New Zealand is one of the nations now ranked ahead of Australia, with faster average internet speeds.
Dr Gregory said that was largely because it has stuck with a fibre-to-the-home network.
"The key difference between New Zealand and Australia is that New Zealand made the decision to do fibre-to-the-premise, they've stuck with that decision," he said.
Even though Australia is much larger geographically, Dr Gregory said fibre-to-the-home should be financially viable for a network to cover the vast bulk of the population.
"Fibre-to-the-premise is viable in Australia, mainly because most Australians are clustered around the coast," he said.
"If you look at the density of Australians, then really we don't differ very much from most other countries in the world, we're just a large country, but with the technologies that we've got today to actually roll out fibre systems, the cost is not that different from most other countries in the world."
Quality of streamed video 'much lower' than overseas
Dr Gregory said many households will notice the deficiencies in Australia's internet when they try to watch television over the internet, such as through the Netflix service coming to Australia this year, or its local rivals.
"Even though the suppliers say they are giving us high definition of 4K steaming, to actually be able to stream over Australia's connection and our connections will be a lot slower than the rest of the world," he said.
"What they will do is that they will increase the compression ratio on the video.
"Even though they are saying that we are getting high definition, or 4K TV, the actual compression will be far more in other countries and therefore the quality of the video that we are viewing at home will be much lower."
Dr Gregory added that another development may push Australia even further down the rankings for internet speed.
"The most important change is occurring in the United States where the FCC chairman - and that's their body that looks after telecommunications - has decided to redefine broadband to 25 megabits per second download speed," he said.
"So what that means is that, in Australia, the Government has been saying that they're going to provide every Australian with high-speed broadband.
"In the future they'll be able to say that they're providing Australians the bare minimum broadband under the new FCC determination on what broadband will be called.
"For many other countries around the world of course, they're moving towards gigabit broadband now and that is super-fast broadband under the new definitions."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/australian-internet-speeds-rank-44th-in-the-world/6012570
Australia's Broadband scheme slips to 44th in world
If you want to correspond faster there's a perfectly good Post Office you can use.
No good complaining Rumpole, we are getting what you voted for.... a politician.
Third quarter last year and 1st place Hong Kong was 84.6Mpbs average peak connection speed and 10th place Luxembourg was 54.4Mbps
Now 4k is rolling out we shall see if Malcolm's prediction of copper and wireless suitability for the future will provided the 15Mbps metric req'd.....given that ADSL2+ general consumer quality is way lower than that and ADSL2+ business quality is just bouncing around that figure.
Sorry, Im a bit of a dummy when it comes to speeds. 4k ? Do you mean 4G ?
That's the new video resolution that is taking over hi def. Of course I'm sure there are those here who will parade black and white letterbox format as being perfectly adequate.
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