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The frustration gets to me too.
One moment it's about guesswork and ifs and the next it's about numbers.
The frustration gets to me too.Excuse my remarks above. I just get so frustrated with this lemon of a scheme.
Let the maths continue.
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The frustration gets to me too.
One moment it's about guesswork and ifs and the next it's about numbers.
Saying that the numbers don't matter is akin to saying you'd be happy with 12v electricity to your house, because so long as it's electricity then discussing the actual numbers is irrational nonsense.
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That quote isn't as silly as it sounds, 12v for the house may be sooner than NBN for everyone.
Financialy it would make a lot more sense, the only electrical appliance that isn't feasable for domestic 12v operation is the airconditioner.
Hot water can be solar/gas and gas cooking. Most other things, lights, t.v, computer and fridge could be easily operated on 12v.
All we need is better energy density from batteries for storing the power to run overnight.
Think how much that would save.
That quote isn't as silly as it sounds, 12v for the house may be sooner than NBN for everyone.
Financialy it would make a lot more sense, the only electrical appliance that isn't feasable for domestic 12v operation is the airconditioner.
Hot water can be solar/gas and gas cooking. Most other things, lights, t.v, computer and fridge could be easily operated on 12v.
All we need is better energy density from batteries for storing the power to run overnight.
Think how much that would save.
The frustration gets to me too.
One moment it's about guesswork and ifs and the next it's about numbers.
If I may lob another spanner….(purely guesswork)…. If I were running Foxtel, then I'd have ensured when contracting Telstra to operate the HFC cable for me, that I had exclusive rights to provide TV content over that network. Any such agreement would have to be changed in the event of the HFC moving to NBN, because all of the ISPs would then be using it to provide IPTV services over that cable, in competition to Foxtel. I can't imagine Foxtel would be too receptive to that idea.
So if they can only get the Optus HFC network, they're back to needing ~70% of leadins….
The NBN is all about numbers. That's the whole point. The 'numbers' surrounding Australia's broadband are amongst the lowest in the OECD. If the numbers make no sense to you, then I'd suggest you either learn about them or move on.
Saying that the numbers don't matter is akin to saying you'd be happy with 12v electricity to your house, because so long as it's electricity then discussing the actual numbers is irrational nonsense.
I didn't know rational was a synonym for technologically illiterate.
The frustration gets to me too.
One moment it's about guesswork and ifs and the next it's about numbers.
Offtopic, but apart from gas not being everywhere, the major downside is that when you lower the voltage, you increase the required current to do a given job. Higher current increases loss through resistance. Thus, the power lines would probably not be sufficient to do the job.
Oh, and have you ever tried to boil water with a 12v kettle? You need to plan ahead!
No, connections currently taking place were started about 12 months ago (it takes ~12 months from the issue of construction orders for an area to activation of that area).
The Coalition have indeed kept FTTP rollout going with new construction orders, but they won't be activated for another ~6 months yet.
My goodness!
Over both their heads with daylight to spare.
Quote Originally Posted by NBNMyths
If I may lob another spanner….(purely guesswork)…. If I were running Foxtel, then I'd have ensured when contracting Telstra to operate the HFC cable for me, that I had exclusive rights to provide TV content over that network. Any such agreement would have to be changed in the event of the HFC moving to NBN, because all of the ISPs would then be using it to provide IPTV services over that cable, in competition to Foxtel. I can't imagine Foxtel would be too receptive to that idea.
So if they can only get the Optus HFC network, they're back to needing ~70% of leadins….
Quote Originally Posted by NBNMyths View Post
The NBN is all about numbers. That's the whole point. The 'numbers' surrounding Australia's broadband are amongst the lowest in the OECD. If the numbers make no sense to you, then I'd suggest you either learn about them or move on.
Saying that the numbers don't matter is akin to saying you'd be happy with 12v electricity to your house, because so long as it's electricity then discussing the actual numbers is irrational nonsense.
I didn't know rational was a synonym for technologically illiterate.
Quote Originally Posted by drsmith View Post
The frustration gets to me too.
One moment it's about guesswork and ifs and the next it's about numbers.
My bolds.
Over both their heads with daylight to spare.
My bolds.
….The purpose of the NBN project is all about numbers. It's about giving Australia a broadband network comparable (or even better than) most other countries in the OECD….
But WHY?
Is it for the same reason that we needed more pink batts in Australian houses than most other countries in the OECD or more solar panels on Australian roofs than most other countries in the OECD or more asylum seekers sucking on our welfare system than most other countries in the OECD.
Besides,WHY is doing anything 'comparable or even better than most other countries in the OECD' a criterion/justification for spending billions of Australian tax payer dollars.:shake:
We have already heard all these qualitative arguments ad nauseam.First, you're using many strawmen…. as I suspect that the penetration of insulation is well behind most countries in the OECD, because (particularly in Europe) they're well aware of the cost benefits of properly insulating their homes. It seems that reducing energy consumption through efficient insulation is a rather apparent reason.
The benefit of increasing solar power generation I would have thought was equally obvious.
And we take well below the OECD average of refugees too.
But, to the point, why have better broadband?
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On funding….. The NBN will ultimately be paid for from user revenue, not tax revenue. Exactly the same way the Telstra (nee Telecom nee PMG) network was built….. I wonder, would you have opposed that as well? I mean, just because the rest of the World was rolling out a telephone network, there's no reason we should have. What was the benefit back in 1909 of spending millions of pounds just so housewives could gossip all day?
We have already heard all these qualitative arguments ad nauseam.
Nowhere in my post did I say that a NBN has no benefits (or even that increasing solar panels or house insulation etc have no benefits). I questioned your assertion as to why Australia needs to have a system "comparable to or better than most other countries in the OECD". So you didn't answer my question because apparently you cannot.
What kind of system did Australia build back in 1909 relative to most other OECD countries. Was it fit for purpose or was it 'gold-plated'. Did we build a system based on its cost effectiveness or did we build one based on having something that was 'comparable to or even better than most other countries in the OECD".
Turnbull caught out lying AGAIN
http://delimiter.com.au/2014/04/17/turnbull-lies-nbn-triple-j-listeners/
The only case where NBN Co would not make a return on the Government’s investment, according to the company’s Strategic Review, is in one revenue projection case for Labor’s original FTTP policy; but even then it would be expected to make only a modest loss — meaning the project would still not be listed as an expense for the Federal Government, and the Government would take only a small hit to its finances.
One problem here is that a small loss Labor style is typically not that small.
For Myths, I have a number he would do well to remember that's not based on his ifs and guesswork.
26.5%
But WHY?
Is it for the same reason that we needed more pink batts in Australian houses than most other countries in the OECD or more solar panels on Australian roofs than most other countries in the OECD or more asylum seekers sucking on our welfare system than most other countries in the OECD.
Besides,WHY is doing anything 'comparable or even better than most other countries in the OECD' a criterion/justification for spending billions of Australian tax payer dollars.:shake:
New Bureau of Statistics internet usage figures out today, to 31st Dec 2013
Surprise surprise the 20 year trend continues with Aussies Downloading more than ever, 55% up on the same period last year with fixed line downloads more than 22 times greater than wireless, and wireless at close to capacity.
cnet.com.au said:In the three months leading up to 31 December 2013, Australian internet users downloaded 860,000TB of data (823,000TB through fixed line connections and 37,400 via wireless). While that's a big figure in and of itself, it's a 55 per cent increase on the volume of data downloaded just one year earlier.
http://m.cnet.com.au/australians-downloading-more-and-at-greater-speeds-339347031.htm
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