NBN Rollout Scrapped

sydboy007 · 10 September 2013

drsmith said:
Regardless of your perspective, if the current state of the rollout and future contracts signed renders that date unachievable with the Coalition rollout, that's not their fault.

Some reporting on rollout numbers to June 30 2014 are appearing in the media,

http://www.brw.com.au/p/tech-gadgets/disconnect_nbn_to_miss_rollout_target_AiWA74uQ0wHwovDpNRLUiO

In relation to recently signed contracts, the above article also had this,

Considering what the Coalition said during the election campaign, and the fact they have over 3 years to complete the fibre contracts, I don't see that they have any valid excuses for not meeting the targets they say they have a mandate for. It's a key promise of the election. They did not many seeing anythign that would stop them meeting their targets. You can't tell the public you can achieve something by a particular date, then turn around and say but but but. labor was rightly voted out of office for doing this. I expect the samer criteria to be applied to the Abbott Govt. Results, no excuses. That's the Abbott promise.

Chris45 · 10 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
I think each generation looks back and wonders about the current one. I certainly think I was lucky to grow up without mobile phones and tablets being the norm. It's hard being poor these days. it's certainly a lot more obvious as the poor kids don't have all the tech toys.

Sydboy, I DEFINITELY agree with that.

I reckon my life would have been quite miserable if I'd had to put up with the cyber-bullying at school that the kids of today do. The frequency of stabbings at schools these days is a telling indicator! Being a bit aspergery, I probably wouldn't have lasted the distance.

That Exetel 12/1 plan now costs $50 but with 50GB data. I'd be pushing to use that in a YEAR!

I checked Whirlpool and there are several $30 plans I could switch to, but I suspect they probably all have high contention ratios like the aaNet/Eftel plan I'm on now (also no longer offered). As you said, we probably get what we pay for.

Yes, I complained to Eftel and their Filipino techies phoned me and we went through their checklist of testing my equipment. They then escalated it to Telstra who sent a guy out to check the lines. He found some "foreign voltage" on my line and gave me a new line as I mentioned earlier. Given that they no longer offer a $30/mth plan, I doubt they'd be interested in giving me a rebate and they probably wouldn't be too sad if I churned to someone else.

However, I see SkyMesh have a "NBN-WA15" wireless plan that sounds quite interesting ... 12/1Mbps, 5+10GB data, $30/mth incl VOIP.

What are your thoughts on NBN wireless? Cheers C45.

sydboy007 · 10 September 2013

Chris45 said:
Sydboy, I DEFINITELY agree with that.

I reckon my life would have been quite miserable if I'd had to put up with the cyber-bullying at school that the kids of today do. The frequency of stabbings at schools these days is a telling indicator! Being a bit aspergery, I probably wouldn't have lasted the distance.

That Exetel 12/1 plan now costs $50 but with 50GB data. I'd be pushing to use that in a YEAR!

I checked Whirlpool and there are several $30 plans I could switch to, but I suspect they probably all have high contention ratios like the aaNet/Eftel plan I'm on now (also no longer offered). As you said, we probably get what we pay for.

Yes, I complained to Eftel and their Filipino techies phoned me and we went through their checklist of testing my equipment. They then escalated it to Telstra who sent a guy out to check the lines. He found some "foreign voltage" on my line and gave me a new line as I mentioned earlier. Given that they no longer offer a $30/mth plan, I doubt they'd be interested in giving me a rebate and they probably wouldn't be too sad if I churned to someone else.

However, I see SkyMesh have a "NBN-WA15" wireless plan that sounds quite interesting ... 12/1Mbps, 5+10GB data, $30/mth incl VOIP.

What are your thoughts on NBN wireless? Cheers C45.

Chris

not sure if you will be able to get NBN wireless. It is being setup in more rural areas where fibre was too cost prohibitive.

From what I've read on whirlpool people talking about the NBN wireless experience they've been pretty positive.

Note than the NBN wireless is very different to 3G/4G you get with the phone companies. NBN wireless is fixed, and they know how many premises the base station will support and are able to provision the service so you can either get 12/1 or 25/5

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Turnbull has now said it may take up to a year to transition away from the FTTP rollout to FTTN.

No info on how this will actually impact the start of the FTTN rollout, but if he means it could take a year before nodes are being installed then he's in big trouble.

drsmith · 10 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
Turnbull has now said it may take up to a year to transition away from the FTTP rollout to FTTN.

That's not new.

DB008 · 10 September 2013

Ziggy might be in the hot seat.

drsmith · 11 September 2013

An interesting piece in the AFR today,

http://www.afr.com/p/national/telstra_shareholders_can_take_hope_VUkkBoiuHB6x62JKRxAL4I

Chris45 · 11 September 2013

drsmith said:
An interesting piece in the AFR today,
http://www.afr.com/p/national/telstra_shareholders_can_take_hope_VUkkBoiuHB6x62JKRxAL4I

Only available to subscribers unfortunately, unless you know of a hack and would like to share it.

Was the article similar to this by any chance?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-in-box-seat-with-turnbull-broadband-plan-20110804-1idhe.html

In the cities, NBN network assets and hybrid fibre that Telstra and Optus built during their pay-TV rollout more than a decade ago would be the broadband backbone.

Most people probably already have a cable running past their house so surely it would make sense to use it rather than bypassing it with an entirely new network.

A Foxtel cable runs past my house. Next door has it and gets 20Mbps. I'd certainly be happy with that if MT could reach an agreement with TLS and the price was right.

sails · 11 September 2013

Chris45 said:
...A Foxtel cable runs past my house. Next door has it and gets 20Mbps. I'd certainly be happy with that if MT could reach an agreement with TLS and the price was right.

We are on bigpond cable (no NBN) - download speeds are great but upload is pathetic! Can't see why we need NBN when we can get these download speeds.

Trembling Hand · 11 September 2013

sails said:
We are on bigpond cable (no NBN) - download speeds are great but upload is pathetic! Can't see why we need NBN when we can get these download speeds.

Same here, This is actually the slowest I've seen it during biz hours for mine in a long time, Mostly i get around 100 meg download,

What is wrong with 1 mg upload sails?

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Actually here is the history over the last 3-4 months,

sydboy007 · 11 September 2013

sails said:
We are on bigpond cable (no NBN) - download speeds are great but upload is pathetic! Can't see why we need NBN when we can get these download speeds.

YAY for you. What about the ~70% of the population that is unable to get cable?

But don't worry, MT has basicaly said you wont be getting an upgrade untill everyone else. Better hope Telstra keeps maintaining their cable network for internet performance.

From what I've read Optus doesn't even sell new cable internet connections anymore.

Just for perspective, avg internet speeds in Australia is around the 4Mbs mark.

drsmith · 11 September 2013

Chris45 said:
Only available to subscribers unfortunately, unless you know of a hack and would like to share it.

This is one of those occasions when I wish I'd quoted some of it here. It was openly available earlier today, but it's obviously behind the pay wall now.

One particular bit that stood out to me was that cost blowouts with the current NBN were stated as a given.

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sydboy007 said:
YAY for you. What about the ~70% of the population that is unable to get cable?

But don't worry, MT has basicaly said you wont be getting an upgrade untill everyone else. Better hope Telstra keeps maintaining their cable network for internet performance.

From what I've read Optus doesn't even sell new cable internet connections anymore.

Just for perspective, avg internet speeds in Australia is around the 4Mbs mark.

You're in for a very long 9 years if you just want to bag this Coalition government from the outset.

Something else that comes to mind is where's Myths ?

sydboy007 · 11 September 2013

drsmith said:
You're in for a very long 9 years if you just want to bag this Coalition government from the outset.

Something else that comes to mind is where's Myths ?

Not bagging. Just stating the policy.

But then with internet speeds like that I'd not be pining for the NBN either.

But considering Telstra have a dual use of the cable it will be interesting to see if they favour Foxtel or Internet speeds. Every extra HD channel eats into available bandwidth.

bellenuit · 11 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
Every extra HD channel eats into available bandwidth.

I've never thought of that aspect. I had assumed my cable speed was, among other things, dependent on not just the number of other internet users on that piece of cable, but also the number of TV viewers. But the latter doesn't make sense when I think about it. Every cable channel has to be transmitted on the cable irrespective of how many are watching them or not.

I don't know if HEVC (MPEG-H/H.265) can be used in a cable environment, but if it could, it would allow halving of the bandwidth required for the same resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

sydboy007 · 11 September 2013

bellenuit said:
I've never thought of that aspect. I had assumed my cable speed was, among other things, dependent on not just the number of other internet users on that piece of cable, but also the number of TV viewers. But the latter doesn't make sense when I think about it. Every cable channel has to be transmitted on the cable irrespective of how many are watching them or not.

I don't know if HEVC (MPEG-H/H.265) can be used in a cable environment, but if it could, it would allow halving of the bandwidth required for the same resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

Better CODECs can help with bandwidth, but all depends if the current foxtel boxes can be upgraded via firmware or not. Possibly the current equipment out there doesn't have the "grunt" to do a s/w upgrade and they would have to rollout new hardware. Whether the economics stack up in a world where netflix has moved into the market and other IPTV services are available is to be seen.

Calliope · 11 September 2013

drsmith said:
You're in for a very long 9 years if you just want to bag this Coalition government from the outset.

Something else that comes to mind is where's Myths ?

Yes, I was wondering about that. It seems that when Sydboy took over the advocacy of the Rudd/Conroy version of NBN, Myths dropped out. Coincidence? I guess Myths just gave up on a lost cause.

sydboy007 · 11 September 2013

Calliope said:
Yes, I was wondering about that. It seems that when Sydboy took over the advocacy of the Rudd/Conroy version of NBN, Myths dropped out. Coincidence? I guess Myths just gave up on a lost cause.

Don't count your nodes before they're installed and fully operational.

Might be a year before we see any new connections on the new NBN besides what's occuring under the old NBN.

Now if that's not irony - the old NBN using pretty much future proof fiber against the new NBN reusing rotting copper in the ground.

All I plan to do is keep MT and the Abbott Govt honest to their promise. Anything less is just incompetency. No excuses Government.

Calliope · 11 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
Don't count your nodes before they're installed and fully operational.

Might be a year before we see any new connections on the new NBN besides what's occuring under the old NBN

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It won't worry me. ADSL 2 does all I ask.

Now if that's not irony - the old NBN using pretty much future proof fiber against the new NBN reusing rotting copper in the ground.

Actually it's not irony.

All I plan to do is keep MT and the Abbott Govt honest to their promise. Anything less is just incompetency. No excuses Government.

Keep up the good work. You obviously enjoy your mission. You certainly didn't worry about incompetency with the previous government though. That's irony. However don't let me distract you from nailing your bÃªte noire MT.

sydboy007 · 11 September 2013

Ah Caliope

don't worry. We'll fall further and further behind the countries we compete with in terms of the infrastructure we have.

I just plan to keep the Coalition to the promises they were elected on. Abbott was the guy that never shut up over Government waste and mismanagement . The standards he applied in opposition shall be applied while he's in Government. There are no set backs, no issues to be overcome, just incompetence if you don't achieve 100%.

But we all know how simple and fast an FTTN will be to rollout so I know you have 100% faith in the Abbott Government meeting their initial broadband policy objective by late 2016, as well as ALL their other policy commitments.

Calliope · 11 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
Ah Caliope

don't worry....

...I just plan to keep the Coalition to the promises they were elected on.

I am not worried. I am just interested in how you plan to do this. It certainly can't be achieved on this forum. Can it?

drsmith · 11 September 2013

sydboy007 said:
I just plan to keep the Coalition to the promises they were elected on. Abbott was the guy that never shut up over Government waste and mismanagement . The standards he applied in opposition shall be applied while he's in Government. There are no set backs, no issues to be overcome, just incompetence if you don't achieve 100%.

You seem to want to apply far higher standards to the Coalition in government than Labor managed while they were in office. In one sense I can understand that. Labor in government did set the bar very low.

Will Labor from opposition be as critical of a Coalition government as the Coalition was when Labor was in government ?

They'll have to stop talking about themselves first.

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