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A little while ago I posted a thread discussing CFD providers. Originally I was going to go with CMC but eventually I changed this to IG Markets. Their charting is much better and although it doesn't seem as simple as CMC I think that IG markets platform is much better.

I thought I would start a blog of a relatively new trader in CFD's. I think it may be a good resource for people looking to trade CFD's for the first time to see what its like.

Originally I was going just to invest in gold and silver (mostly silver) however I've since signed up to Slipstream trader and going to move into stocks as well.

Initial investment: $8000.

My first night trading was wild (trading silver), but it was good experience. After massive volatility I had been up and down all night, however after it calmed down I was able to be patient and buy at the bottom of a massive spike (at 1am). If anyone follows silver closely you can sometimes see 50c or more drops in seconds, its not a good thing if you had a long position slighty above...it can hit stops a $1 away in seconds.

This was put on a friday night and by monday morning I was up 11k. My total risk on the trade was $1250 (25pip stop). I eventually moved the stop loss up and took profit at $8500. Not bad for the first time - BUT THIS WAS JUST LUCK.

Unfortunately after that trade my confidence grew rapidily and I eventually (after a week or so) lost that $8500, but still had my original $8000.

Since then I signed up to slipstream and have managed to do well out of it, so far I have made back the initial investment (1500) + a bit more). I think signing up to a subscriber is well worth it if you're going to be in highly leveraged positions as you gain a lot of knowledge by watching the video updates. I also have a David morgan subscription, but hes a seasonal trader so theres not many updates.

I did manage to get up 3800 (through slipstream picks and a silver 1/2 contract) but eventually the silver let me down and I pretty much broke every trading room - i let emotions take over and was back down to my intial investment in less then one hr. Good lesson learnt here.

The last 4 weeks have been a huge learning curve and I've actually started to learn from my losses and mistakes. I think you need to lose money before you can start learning.

starting this week Ive changed my strategy - especially in silver. Before I was trying to get into a core position and the massive seasonal rally, but this is proving to be difficult, costly and greedy. I now am taking a different approach. I will now be patient and buy into what I think is a solid buying opportunity and take profits where possible. I will be limiting risk wherever possible.

Specifically:
- firstly my first priority is to trade to not lose money - im not thinking about profits.
- I am moving stop losses to buy in price upon 25pip moves and using smaller contracts to limit risk as much as possible
- I am setting targets to take profit, not leaving it opened ended like before. The profits will be much smaller but I think its much safer to take profits where I can rather then watch it go up and then shoot down - seen it countless times.
- Be more patient! Its hard to wait for a good position especially when its volatile and in the middle of a rally. But patience will get me in a safer position.
- I am not going to be buying in massive volatility.. as much as I want to.. its just not worth the risk. The only time I will take a small contract out is if there a massive down spike (these only last a couple of seconds and if you get one you can make 40-50c in 30 seconds)
- I will still keep my slipstream trader picks, but I limit risk as much as possible and try not to take his higher risk ones.

Last night was my first night trading these rules, I was lucky enough to get a down spike and caught the bottom. I pretty much got out 90% from the top after 2min and made myself a quick $670.

Will update on the next trade.

Also I am happy for any suggestions questions.
 
adamim,

Thanks for sharing. Review and reflect are two most important aspects of self improvement in all areas of life, trading included.

It seems like you've been lucky and learned some good lessons "for free". You don't want to try to make $8500 every day... you will simply blow your $8k account within 2 months. Making $670 is better but is probably still a bit too aggressive for the long run. You will (and already) have very volatilie equity curve and a few bad hands dealt by the market (and they WILL come) and your $8k wouldn't go very far.

Have you looked at risk of ruin analysis for your trading methodology? Well worth a read before a blow up.

May good drisk management be with you, always.
 
I had considered it, but admittedly not a great deal of thought went into it. I'll definitely make sure I check it out.

I agree, I probably am risking too much. At the moment, 16 consecutively bad trades would wipe me out. Losing 8000 wouldn't change my financial position, I guess that's why I was risking a lot but I think I'll need to change that if I want to trade long term.

Thanks for the advice.
 
Things to be aware of ...

1) close stops get crunched more often
2) spike in opposite direction of trend catches close to moderately close stops
3) for some reason, after having a good win, nothing works for you
4) the market will take more than it gives
5) you are gambling on a price moving up or down
6) the high/very high risk is why most people do not play (see 5)

from a gambler
 
Things to be aware of ...

1) close stops get crunched more often
2) spike in opposite direction of trend catches close to moderately close stops
3) for some reason, after having a good win, nothing works for you
4) the market will take more than it gives
5) you are gambling on a price moving up or down
6) the high/very high risk is why most people do not play (see 5)

from a gambler

All trading can be considered gambling. But I wouldn't say it's 50/50.

Close stops do get caught often, and I learnt that when trading in demo. What I will be doing is buying in close to support, using large enough stops so as not to get caught during spikes and not trading during volatile times. My gamble is that if I buy in times when the volatility is low at a support line, or just off the support line, I can use a stop that probably won't get caught by a spike. Once the position moves in a positive direction by 25/50 pips I can take half profit and set stop loss to buy in. My major risk is the initial trade then hopefully zero risk when I move the stop loss.

The only other option I can see is to use very small contracts with large stop losses with are less likely to get taken out and purchase more contracts with each positive movement.

E.g

1st contract at $41 with stop at 40 -
2nd contract at 42 with stop at 41- move stop on first contract to buy in price(41).

It would be a way of increase position size while keeping the same risk. Could probably take half profit on that first contract as well.
 
Im confused??

Trading stock and quoting Pips?---Forex.
Trading Silver quoting Pips---Ticks?
 
71.50 with stop @ 68.

Bought on possible market rally next week. Target is 75, but we will see how we go.

I've canned silver trading at the moment - its just too difficult ATM.
 
Let me guess... 400 shares.

Yes, long RIO @ 500 shares.

But I was short BHP 500. Took 1/3 profit and stop at buy in (39.00). A rally in the market makes me money will make be lose a few hundred dollars in BHP and gain in RIO. It the market goes south, then my loss it limited.
 
Yes, long RIO @ 500 shares.

But I was short BHP 500. Took 1/3 profit and stop at buy in (39.00). A rally in the market makes me money will make be lose a few hundred dollars in BHP and gain in RIO. It the market goes south, then my loss it limited.

Obviously I don't know how much is in your account but you started with $8k, made some, then loss some, so lets say you are at $10k.

You have then bought 500 RIO Shares which would have a total outlay of $35,750, however you could only gain this much exposure through the use of CFDs (leverage).

IMO the idea of using leverage is not to take significantly larger positions in the market, but more so to let you spread risk across a greater number of assets/shares with your limited capital base.

You have a stop loss that is $3.50 away from your purchase price. If the trade moves against you then you loss $1,750 ($3.50 x 500 shares)

That is nearly 20% of your total capital (based on a 10k account).

Yes you can make thousands as well, but eventually you will hit a run or 2, 3, 4 or 5 losses and it will be all over red rover.

If you don't mind me asking why are you using such a high risk strategy as a beginner?
 
Interesting thread, feel free to go into as much detail as you like I'm sure people will be happy to read it.

In choosing your CFD provider, did you do any research on DMA vs market making?
 
Obviously I don't know how much is in your account but you started with $8k, made some, then loss some, so lets say you are at $10k.

You have then bought 500 RIO Shares which would have a total outlay of $35,750, however you could only gain this much exposure through the use of CFDs (leverage).

IMO the idea of using leverage is not to take significantly larger positions in the market, but more so to let you spread risk across a greater number of assets/shares with your limited capital base.

You have a stop loss that is $3.50 away from your purchase price. If the trade moves against you then you loss $1,750 ($3.50 x 500 shares)

That is nearly 20% of your total capital (based on a 10k account).

Yes you can make thousands as well, but eventually you will hit a run or 2, 3, 4 or 5 losses and it will be all over red rover.

If you don't mind me asking why are you using such a high risk strategy as a beginner?

He's got 500 BHP short which has size of ~$19k. So he's basically doing a RIO/BHP pairs trade with face value ~$19K, and a naked $16k or so in RIO long. Now whether he realises this or not that's another matter.

The problem is that he has stops with the RIO long (I don't know about his BHP short) and he can easily gets whipsawed into oblivion. Position sizes are way too big for the account of course.

Adamim1, look up fractional position sizing and the 2% rule for some useful guidance.

May good risk management be with you.
 
He's got 500 BHP short which has size of ~$19k. So he's basically doing a RIO/BHP pairs trade with face value ~$19K, and a naked $16k or so in RIO long. Now whether he realises this or not that's another matter.

The problem is that he has stops with the RIO long (I don't know about his BHP short) and he can easily gets whipsawed into oblivion. Position sizes are way too big for the account of course.

Adamim1, look up fractional position sizing and the 2% rule for some useful guidance.

May good risk management be with you.

Missed the post with BHP, massive position for an account of circa $10k.

I hope it goes alright for you Adamim1 and after you close out these trades you consider the use of risk management/correct position sizing.
 
My original suspicion was deleted
These posts are only adding to my original thoughts.
For newbie to be pairs trading on leverage with a 10 k account!

S----U------R-----E
 
Yep I understand it's a pair trade.

Probably I better idea would of been buying 300 instead of 500 buy I guess greed got the better of me.

Hopefully the market won't punish me on Monday. If ben bernanke gives the market something
 
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