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My three trading rules

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From Tech's outliner post I promised to show how I grab my odd outliner days without actually aiming for outliner trades. That is how I pull the odd outsize winning days without changing the way I trade or trying to catch the +20 R winners.

You often see trading "plans" with a heap of "rules" - entry, exit, MM, pyramiding and on and on. I have no such rules. Like someone has said I just go about swinging punches.

Here are my trading rules,

1. I never want to lose more than 0.5% of my account per day. NEVER (again:eek:). If my losses for the day hit anymore than half a percent of capital I stop. Or mostly go onto sim, just to keep practicing.

2. I want to have as few down days as possible. Or put another way I want to trade in a way that reduces the likely outcome of negative days.

3. I want to be very aggressive with my capital.

I believe rule number 1 is the most important rule for intraday traders. You simply can’t go about risking 2% of capital per trade and trade actively. 5 bad trades in a row and you are down 10%. If you are active, like me, that could be in the first 10 min of the day!! Simply if you are intraday forget the big winners. My focus starts on not losing capital. When I look back through draw-down’s its obvious that excluding the largest down days makes a huge diff to where my account balance would be. Losses are unavoidable that’s just the game we are in but most definitely large losses can be avoided and that’s my main focus when the day starts. I know my “system” has positive expectancy but I also know that some days I just trade crap. So I have a drop dead level to stop the crap days having an effect on my capital.

Rule two is important to me. My income comes from trading. I trade to pay the bills firstly then to increase my capital base. So like anyone who goes to work each day it’s important to actually take home some $$ for your effort. A couple of years ago I noticed that one of the benefits of very short term trading is that if you can cover cost(brokerage, spread) you will have a very smooth equity curve. You would expect, as a simple example, out of any positive expectancy system after 50 trades you would be ahead. If it’s a swing system that could take a month, if it’s a 5 trades a day intraday system that would be two weeks. With my system it’s an hour. From these two rules I can approach each day fresh knowing that yesterday I didn’t dig a huge hole that will take 3 days to get back to square and that more than likely I am going to have a day that will comfortable cover my daily “wage”. This is a very nice position to start each day. Believe me you trade very nicely if the next 10 trades don’t mean the diff between making the rent or not. Or are not a hit to the ideal “gun trader” vision you have for yourself, that the next trade is just going to happen and it in the scheme of things doesn’t matter one way or the other to your success.

Rule 3 is where my system rules really turn from paying the rent to hitting the home runs and last year it was often. Now this rule would seem completely counter to the first 2. But this is how I approach trading. Start of the day focus is on not losing too much, not digging a hole (rule 1). As I build profit the target becomes getting towards making enough for the wage (rule 2). But as the day progress from time to time things just go your way. That is the benefit of being in the market each day. If for example I have worked out that 50 ticks is plenty to cover me as I pass that profit target I will start increasing position size. The further I move into profit the bigger my position sizing gets. To the point where I could be trading 10 times the size I started with. This has resulted in some truly outliner days without any one or even group of trades actually being large winners. It’s a way of milking big winners while still only risking 0.5% of capital per day. It’s a way of making your own outliners. F... what the market wants to give you I say, go get what you want. Yes sometimes it doesn’t work and I give back profit but then I just scale back and build again. I find this works even better the more big days I have. The more profit I have over previous days the more aggressive I build size during the day.

This is not going to suit a lot of people as they will not be comfortable with trading 5 times their normal size but when you make 100s of trades a day you soon get over the next couple of trades having to prove you right. In a sense I don’t give a toss about the next couple of trades. I’m very comfortable with the way I trade and that’s the difference. When for what ever reason (large range day, couple of lucky trades, random falling of numbers) i'm seeing the ball well I will swing harder.
 
Re: My three trading rules.

Hi TH,

A question if I may.

Hopefully relevant to many others that follow your posts.

In a recent thread, you made a remark along the lines that;

in 60% of cases the Aust SPI moves in the opposite direction to the overnight S&P 500 direction ( this is not the exact quote), rather than following it

it is the 60% figure you mentioned that is of specific interest to me.

I wonder if you would mind stating whether that figure is as a result of your data keeping and research, or an approximation?

or any further detail you may be able to cast

60% would seem like a reasonable "edge"

apology if my inquiry is of track, I slowly try to learn much from your posts, and prefer not to try and re-invent the wheel
 
Re: My three trading rules.

I wonder if you would mind stating whether that figure is as a result of your data keeping and research, or an approximation?

or any further detail you may be able to cast

Awg just a guesstimate. Mostly indices, which I trade, seem to be in a continual gap and fill motion. Whenever I wake to see a large move in the States I always think of reversals points. Like what we had yesterday at 12:00. Which by the way was about 1 1/2 hours after I guessed it would reverse.
 
Nice stuff TH

Thanks

Ditto :iagree:


TH,
If you have a daily loss limit of 0.5%, how much do you risk per trade when you start fresh?

Also, are you still going to post up some vids?

cheers
 
If you have a daily loss limit of 0.5%, how much do you risk per trade when you start fresh?

Obviously a tiny amount of 0.5%. I always run small stops but on the open of the spi it's pretty thin & sometimes wild so I start with 1 or 2 contracts. With 4 - 6 points (mostly) stops. That would enable me to take a bit of a beating as far as losses in a row and still not hit the drop dead level to soon. Nothing worst than being out for the day at 9:59 :(

But really its about surviving long enough that my slight but yet still positive expectancy has a chance to work into profit. That's always my first concern, getting away comfortably from the day stop.
 
Obviously a tiny amount of 0.5%.

Think I need a larger account. :D

Looking to start scalping the Treasuries and maybe the Bund this year.

Have you ever traded them?
 
Think I need a larger account. :D

Looking to start scalping the Treasuries and maybe the Bund this year.

Have you ever traded them?


Nope.

But setting stops like I do really depends on the amount of trades you "normally" do. If its 20 a day maybe you would start at 0.025%.

Or

Risk 1% per day. or more. This has really been a work in progress. I spend a lot of time doing what ifs in my head. Trying to remove the many mistakes as they re-appear and working with the positives. This has how these rules have come about.
 
in 60% of cases the Aust SPI moves in the opposite direction to the overnight S&P 500 direction ( this is not the exact quote), rather than following it

it is the 60% figure you mentioned that is of specific interest to me.

I wonder if you would mind stating whether that figure is as a result of your data keeping and research, or an approximation?

AWG,
The table below shows how the XAO reacts to an o/night move in the US. This was compiled a year or so ago when commoditites were belting along so the upside correlation could be deemed higher than normal. TH's guess is not far off the mark either way. The interesting thing is how the correlation increases dependent on the size of the US move.




I would also add that the SPI will tend to move against the US move at open on about 54% of occasions which is mainly due to an over reaction from traders on open. Those long term followers of mine will be aware of my 3DS trading system that fades the SPI open. 3DS was built in 1998 and remains a very strong performer today.


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Just to clarify, those percentages are up close on SPI vs down close YM, and down close vs up close YM etc. etc.?
 
Hi TH,

I like your rules, they are similar to the ones that self-formed for me once I was putting my own cash in the market. I feel if someone hasn't come up with very similar rules to the ones you posted then they probably shouldn't be trading!

I scalp and trade forex for a bit of entertainment and extra cash when I work nightshifts.

The amount of capital I accept as losable is slightly higher, about 3% think at last check.

However I have one extra rule which I follow, maybe I have this luxury because I don't rely on it as income. This rule is of course: EXTREMELY LOW RISK SETUPS.

i.e. I only short or long if there is obvious channel trading going on, or if the ticker hits a major trendline or similar techniques for scalping.

This allows me to place extremely tight stops (possibly the minimum) for example 4 pips in EUR/USD therefore utilising leverage better as well as keeping losses to a low that can usually be recovered in one or two trades. If it is a trade rather than scalp I will tend to only use support and resistance from longer term charts for the same effect.

To give you an idea, I am home today and for a bit of fun am scalping EUR/USD. Here is my last few trades, nothing serious, for "fun" I only enter about 50USD into the account and take profits anywhere above 1USD per trade.
 

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Rule 3 is where my system rules really turn from paying the rent to hitting the home runs and last year it was often. Now this rule would seem completely counter to the first 2. But this is how I approach trading. Start of the day focus is on not losing too much, not digging a hole (rule 1). As I build profit the target becomes getting towards making enough for the wage (rule 2). But as the day progress from time to time things just go your way. That is the benefit of being in the market each day. If for example I have worked out that 50 ticks is plenty to cover me as I pass that profit target I will start increasing position size. The further I move into profit the bigger my position sizing gets. To the point where I could be trading 10 times the size I started with. This has resulted in some truly outliner days without any one or even group of trades actually being large winners. It’s a way of milking big winners while still only risking 0.5% of capital per day. It’s a way of making your own outliners. F... what the market wants to give you I say, go get what you want. Yes sometimes it doesn’t work and I give back profit but then I just scale back and build again. I find this works even better the more big days I have. The more profit I have over previous days the more aggressive I build size during the day.

Sounds like the Antimartingale system - increase your risk when you win
 
You make a good point about betting small when starting the trading day.

I find that as i progress through the day, I can anticipate the price action better. It only makes sense to start increasing lot sizes.
 
The more profit I have over previous days the more aggressive I build size during the day.

In a sense I don’t give a toss about the next couple of trades. I’m very comfortable with the way I trade and that’s the difference. i'm seeing the ball well I will swing harder.

hey TH --- (luv ya work :D )

this kind of method is used by 'GOOD" punters in the racing game as well --- (not that im saying punting is anything like day-trading lol ;) --- well actually thats exactly what im saying ;)

when a professional punter is 'in the zone' ----- the instinct becomes so focused that the brain seems to decipher the information on a higher level --

and that is when the 'punter' SHOULD be aggressive ---

i think the biggest mistake many of us make as punters/traders is to try and play 'catch up' on our bad days ---- when we should be walking away --- and going in hard when the Karma gods are smiling ----- :):)
 
Ah, I thought you were talking of individual outlier trades TH. But yes, I know what your talking about in the post. I guess once your capital grows too large to even do .5% of it per day on the SPI, you can then just start with as bigger size as suits your style (including the type of day it is) and not give yourself an exact daily stop (allowing you enough trades to let your expectancy come into play), and just let your stop be down to your own intuition........

Cartman, that last paragraph of yours, is very true. On my own down days (luckily haven't seen one in quite some time :D) I have to check myself from trying to play catch up and become even more tight with my trading and try to slowly chip back to the green. When I'm in the zone, I will swing for the fences, like I did shorting that close today (after cash settlement) after being well up :eek::eek::(
 
When I'm in the zone, I will swing for the fences, like I did shorting that close today (after cash settlement) after being well up :eek::eek::(

;) onya Mirc ---- that would represent a 'Spike play" ---

id be inclined to take profits on that around todays low (if yr still holding) --

but i could be wrong :)


TH may correct me, but what he is getting at is 'play with the house's money when u r in the zone ---- cause that is the most likely time u r gona 'beat the house'!! --- u wont beat the house when u r battling to break even and second guessing yr positions !!
 
Na, not still holding the short, could've, should've, would've but didn't! :confused: Did night SPI fall much from it's highs after close at 4:30pm? Don't have charts available here.

Still ensured I banked a little of the house money.

Yeh, I agree with what TH is saying, but sometimes, when it just looks right or a big move is on after an early announcement, I will load up regardless of whether or not I have a buffer to use (always a bit edgy doing so though). But I'm in a bit diff scenario, if I hit my stop, I can just ask for more ;)
 
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