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My 13 year old has saved the pocket money, time for a minor account?

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Hi all,

First I'll start by detailing our families pocket money strategy to show how my 13 year old saved $1k.

My kids get a base allowance from when they start kindy, for keeping their beds made/rooms and desks clean and tidy. It's $1 per year of age, with the stipulation that a % must be banked/saved, they lose 20% of their allowance for everyday day they don't make their bed etc. Then each day one of them (I have 3) can earn extra money by doing chores (sort of like overtime), take bin out/feed dog/unpack dishwasher etc. Up until about 12 this savings is put into a junior savings account.

When they hit year 7 at school (about 12 years old) we check out how much free money they've got through interest, and look at how they could of made a bit more. The junior saver account gets changed to a regular high interest savings account and a youth account (not linked) with debit card and a max amount of $'s allowed on the debit card to be used for things like saving for bigger purchases etc. The idea of having the savings account is to show about saving and compounding interest (even at 2%), is better than keeping it in the piggy bank at home.

During year 7, and after the junior saver account has been changed to a youth/debit card and saver account, I add a little more incentive to save, after they have got their pocket money and put aside the mandatory savings percentage, if they would like to save a bit more out of their spending, I'll match it dollar for dollar, but that gets deposited in the savings account and can not be touched under any circumstances. I sat down with the eldest (13) and roughly worked out what her weekly spend is, it came to about $10/week. So we decided that before she starts saving extra she should have about 4 weeks of spending in cash (for going to cafe etc) and 10 weeks on the debit card account (for bigger purchases).

So I basically run the pocket money like they are my employees with a bit of salary sacrifice thrown in for good measure (there tax break is my extra contribution :))

Pretty much by 13/year 8 they should save around $1k and understand the value of saving and understand how compounding works. We look at how the high interest account earned more than the junior saver earned and start to look at different forms of investing.

My idea for the next step is a diversified share portfolio, $1k isn't really enough to start so I'm happy to match the $1k and open a minor trading account as a trustee, and purchase $2k worth of a LIC and explain why diversification is important, probably AFI. They won't receive over the $416 (or what ever it is) by investing in a LIC with $2k and the stipulation is they cannot cash out to spend it until they are 18, which then they can use it to fund a gap year, buy a car or keep it invested and use their savings account to fund these. They already have a TFN so that they can submit a tax return to claim franking credits, and will be reinvesting dividends into more shares, because compounding rules! After they save another $1k, I'll match that and buy more shares, maybe something in a company they have an interest in.

So I'm off to see my accountant next week and will run this past him, and I was hoping just for some input and ideas that I may not have thought about to chat to him about.

Cheers
 
I have a 13 year old son too, he has about $1500 in savings, earning 5.4% interest (not really, i chose that return to show him the power of compounding over time.) He made the money from his ⅓ share in my coffee roasting buisness, so he also got to learn about the distinction between a business and wages.

He is no longer involved in the business, but the money is still sitting in an account for the moment, so I will be interested to see what ideas spring from this thread!
 
Hi all,

First I'll start by detailing our families pocket money strategy to show how my 13 year old saved $1k.

My kids get a base allowance from when they start kindy, for keeping their beds made/rooms and desks clean and tidy. It's $1 per year of age, with the stipulation that a % must be banked/saved, they lose 20% of their allowance for everyday day they don't make their bed etc. Then each day one of them (I have 3) can earn extra money by doing chores (sort of like overtime), take bin out/feed dog/unpack dishwasher etc. Up until about 12 this savings is put into a junior savings account.

When they hit year 7 at school (about 12 years old) we check out how much free money they've got through interest, and look at how they could of made a bit more. The junior saver account gets changed to a regular high interest savings account and a youth account (not linked) with debit card and a max amount of $'s allowed on the debit card to be used for things like saving for bigger purchases etc. The idea of having the savings account is to show about saving and compounding interest (even at 2%), is better than keeping it in the piggy bank at home.

During year 7, and after the junior saver account has been changed to a youth/debit card and saver account, I add a little more incentive to save, after they have got their pocket money and put aside the mandatory savings percentage, if they would like to save a bit more out of their spending, I'll match it dollar for dollar, but that gets deposited in the savings account and can not be touched under any circumstances. I sat down with the eldest (13) and roughly worked out what her weekly spend is, it came to about $10/week. So we decided that before she starts saving extra she should have about 4 weeks of spending in cash (for going to cafe etc) and 10 weeks on the debit card account (for bigger purchases).

So I basically run the pocket money like they are my employees with a bit of salary sacrifice thrown in for good measure (there tax break is my extra contribution :))

Pretty much by 13/year 8 they should save around $1k and understand the value of saving and understand how compounding works. We look at how the high interest account earned more than the junior saver earned and start to look at different forms of investing.

My idea for the next step is a diversified share portfolio, $1k isn't really enough to start so I'm happy to match the $1k and open a minor trading account as a trustee, and purchase $2k worth of a LIC and explain why diversification is important, probably AFI. They won't receive over the $416 (or what ever it is) by investing in a LIC with $2k and the stipulation is they cannot cash out to spend it until they are 18, which then they can use it to fund a gap year, buy a car or keep it invested and use their savings account to fund these. They already have a TFN so that they can submit a tax return to claim franking credits, and will be reinvesting dividends into more shares, because compounding rules! After they save another $1k, I'll match that and buy more shares, maybe something in a company they have an interest in.

So I'm off to see my accountant next week and will run this past him, and I was hoping just for some input and ideas that I may not have thought about to chat to him about.

Cheers

My opinion only,

Too much overthinking. Only 14 I couldn't grasp the concepts.


I am getting confused just thinking about how you work out that pocket money :s

Your accountant will be very happy.... More fees

If I were a kid, still debatable whether my maturity level is the same :)

This is what I would like to have known to start


Researching
How to find the best interest rates
How to find the cheapest consumer goods
How to compare different products

How to mistrust assumptions
Don't trust anyone, especially the smooth man in the suit.



Once you start to understand what banks are and what companies are then I would move to the finance part.

Without that background, it is just returns but not understanding what is driving the returns.

Then I would start

Time value of money
Risk
inflation

etc etc


Diversification is a very contentious a lot of people don't agree with it.

I suppose the most important thing is to not create a mental rule of thumb anchor for young minds.

For example if they lose money in shares for the first 2-3 years, then they may think all shares are bad etc

The only way to overcome this is too teach the power to question for oneself.


I have an example of someone who is mature around 50+.

I asked do you own any stocks.

He replied no.

I said why?

He only invested in shares only once in his life. A broker friend of his says company xyz speci is a sure thing he puts a couple of k into it. The stock dies he loses a couple of k.

Now he says all stocks are the same.

So I ask do you have super.

He says yes.

Do you realise that super is invested in shares?

response: No I don't not own shares.

After the super lost a lot of value due to GFC
He moved alot of his money into cash.
and now earns negative real returns

1) He had never been taught how to research
2) Once experience anchored his whole world view
3) no grasp of the time value of money
4) he trusted the men in the suits

lack of simple concepts cost his $thousands$$$

Even without taking exorbitant risks.

my two cents
 
I have never given pocket money to my kids.

My eldest who has just turned 16 works at Maccas part time, does baby sitting and also occasionally works at this art house business. She has made over $3000 over a year despite going to concerts and buying clothes. I have not helped her get the jobs. She knows the value of money the hard way. Maccas only pay $8.50 for 15 year olds.

She is also in Venturers (on a 4 day canoe camp down a river at present) and also ran her house school play (the older girls in her house were lazy) so knows how to organise. She socialises unbelievably.

She is going into year 11 now so will have to cut back the hours of work or get a better paying job. She is applying to work for Office Works and others.

My son doesn't seem to care about money. I offered him the bus fare if he rides to school but it is too easy to rely on his Mum to drop him off and for him to take the bus home. He is only 13 though.
 
She is going into year 11 now so will have to cut back the hours of work or get a better paying job. She is applying to work for Office Works and others.

Personally I wished I worked more instead of time spent on studying for entrance exams. If she is of the entrepreneurial type (sounds like she is) instead of traditional society conformist (eg. aiming for doctor/lawyer), having real world experience and funds is much more useful than shiny grades.

Just my personal opinion from a dropout.
 
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